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How 3D Training Helps Prep Women for Pregnancy and Postpartum with Kaleena Ruskin

Posted on November 11, 2022

Paden
All right, welcome back to another episode of The Gymnazo podcast, I’m your host today. I’m Peyton Hughes. I’m one of the owners here at Gymnazo. And today I have in studio with me, Coach Kaleena. And it’s been a while since she’s been on a podcast. And there’s been a really important reason for that, because she recently just had her first baby. And we have talked and there are plenty of very entertaining episodes, if you want to catch up on the world of female training, female body parts, everything that you need to know about training women, and about postpartum recovery, etc. And we actually get a chance to sit down with Kaleena and talk about her experience firsthand. And I know that for years, she’s gotten incredible results for a lot of women, and it’s very trusted in the medical with a lot of different medical professionals in the area who send their clients to her. And for the longest time, people have always said, Well, wait, how do you know so much about the female body and, and what goes on pre and post partum if you’ve never had your own baby, and we’ve laughed, because how many male doctors out there are telling women how to have babies who don’t have vaginas themselves. Yet, here we are. And we actually get a chance to talk through what it was like for your trading with pregnancy, what it was like for you leading into your birth experience, what it’s been like recovering postpartum, and what you’d recommend for women anywhere in that journey. And so if that sounds good to you, you’re in the right spot. Continue to listen.

Michael Hughes
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Paden 
Okay, so Kaleena, I want to know, what was it like for you training through your pregnancy specifically by I think third trimester and until kind of birth, what was your mindset? And then what worked? What bring us into that experience for you?

Kaleena
Yeah, I had a lot of fun training when I was pregnant, it was very different. Energy wise is very different than my usual. But I really tried to almost maintain the same level of fitness that I that I would have, if I were if I wasn’t pregnant, I wanted to still work out a couple days a week. My intensity was just way less. Yeah, my goal was not to have any performance gains. It was really just to maintain to break a sweat to try it and not put on more pregnancy weight from all I ate so many sweets like that I don’t eat sweets, usually. And I was just slamming cookies, left and right. So I was trying to combat some cookie consumption for sure. But doing some strength training, it was I was trying to think of things that I would have to do postpartum and how I can turn those activities into exercises prenatal to like make them so it was easier to do so it’s a lot of the prenatal workout stuff that you see was so boring. I was like, don’t do anything just go for a walk. I was like I don’t walking is only so fun for so long. Like, you know, I can only do so much of that I want I still wanted to lift weights and throw things and still feel like an athlete. So I just I just did them I was just not to the level that I usually do them. So I was thrown around Vipers that like rotational overhead presses picking them up single arm I was thinking, you know, okay, if I have to open up a stroller with one hand and hold a baby and the other like holding a sandbag on one hand, what if I’m running the vacuum? What if I’m doing dishes, you know, putting stuff on the top of my car on top of Phil’s car, like I just tried to envision what mom life would be like and then somehow turn that into a lunge or a lift or squat in the gym. And that’s what I did. And I did that until the end of my pregnancies certainly modified. I definitely took a lot more breaks than usual. But that was that was what I did in the third trimester.

Paden
Yeah, I remember watching having you working out I would walk past you and you’d be working out and I’m like, Man, she is like going after it. But then you’d say, you know, my my goals are different than normal or you’re like, gosh, I’m taking You can’t another break, but you would laugh about it because you’re like this is to be expected to some degree. Was it what you expected? I’m curious. The working out portion. Yeah, I just avoided what your energy level was like or what were you surprised by what you could still do or disappointed by what you couldn’t.

Kaleena
I was pleasantly surprised that I could still do box jobs, like 34 weeks, I think after that, I was like, I don’t need to do these anymore. It’s okay. It’s all good. I was still happy with the fact that I can move that I didn’t have any sciatica, that I wasn’t having any back pain, I was still sleeping soundly and never had to use a pregnancy pillow. And a sigh aside from the fact that I was just big and like putting on my shoes is the hardest part of my day. And the swelling in my feet. Like there’s only you know, there’s certain certain things that you just can’t help. But other than that, I could still move and do a lot of things that I wanted to certainly getting in and out of my car was more challenging. And there’s a lot more huffing and puffing, I definitely remember doing some cardio esque activities and like, I’m gonna sit down. I’m exhausted is like, but I was laughing about it. Because it’s not like I was sprinting it was yes. You know, when you’re carrying extra weight and your heart rate gets up, there’s just a lot less that you can do. So.

Paden
I remember going on hikes and how all of a sudden, like going upstairs become this like exorbitant task or like I’m out of breath so bad. Yeah, flee up the hill.

Kaleena
Yeah, well, that’s not it’s not just the way like you, your lungs are smushed, you know, just don’t have as much as much capacity. So it was it was all good. It was still very exciting. My motivation was just to be as healthy and fit as I could for labor and delivery. And, and for my baby. I felt like I was doing it for her too.

Paden
Yeah, I love that. As a coach, I have to ask this because I know we have a lot of coaches that listen, as a coach, you were our first female coach to coach pregnant. So I think we were all taking all our cues from you, and how you were feeling through that? What would you advise people or trainers out there who are pregnant and what should they expect from their career? And when would you taper out of coaching, like walk us through that because you are really dialed i felt on that.

Kaleena
I am very lucky to have such a supportive. Not that’s not my staff, but coworkers. I’m super lucky to be here because you guys were so supportive, just like whatever you need, you let us know. And every woman is different. Every pregnancy is different. I definitely by the third trimester, probably 32 weeks, I was like, I need to be on my feet less. It was just it was just more taxing to be up and moving for that many hours a day. So I was still working full time.

Paden
Yeah. So just for the listeners, what is that? Is that five to six training hours? Roughly? Like on the floor coaching? I think so.

Kaleena
Yes. I think it was at least six. Yeah, six, six sessions typically is a full day for us. So and that can take, you know, anywhere from six to eight hours or 10 hours. But um, yeah, so doing six sessions a day was still a lot. But I was getting more into our restorative sessions doing semi private, where I could sit down and coach that way. And even I mean, I think I was the first coach to ever get permission to sit down, sit down during a group training class. I mean, who’s gonna tell you? No, yeah, nobody, everybody is one of the clients are just laughing because I demonstrate things and then, you know, oh, don’t do that so fast or don’t even know you’re gonna want to which I would just roll my eyes and say I’m pregnant. I’m not disabled. But I was like, I’m gonna sit down after this now and demonstrate for like, 20 seconds. So it’s totally fine. But it just is own individual, you know, comfort levels of when to taper off. I definitely felt like the further I got into my third trimester, the more I wanted to not be on my feet for so long. It was just really tiring by the end of the day. But my energy levels were still pretty good. And honestly, I think some days being up on my feet. And coaching was good for me, because I could move because I think we also, mentally can make it easy for us to say like, I’m pregnant, I’m just gonna sit down, like, I don’t need to do anything. I’m tired. Like, I don’t want to move. And I think that’s worse, actually. Like, I know, I know, after some weekends, I would get home and I would just sit all weekend because I was like, I’m tired. I’m pregnant. I’m just gonna watch TV for the next 48 hours. And Monday would come around and feel like crap. So it was better to just keep moving. Honestly, I think my body really appreciated that but work wise. There were some days that were harder than others, that’s for

Paden
sure. Yeah. And our bodies are different every day. I mean, at least I remember that being so vivid is a pregnancy both times like neither pregnancy is the same I could be the same person but is my body even the same? No. We know this nothing close. So let’s move into talking about how you’re training and like what when you went through and you don’t have to tell like your whole birth story but like Like when you go through birth as somebody who’s coached so many women into recovery postpartum? What was that experience for you going in knowing exactly what could go wrong? And I have to say it that way, because you literally were like, nobody can scare me anymore. I have literally heard all the horror stories for years. Yeah. So what was that like for you? And what were you pleased with the outcome? I is an adorable child, by the way, to all the listeners. Her daughter is the cutest she’s

Kaleena
pretty darn cute. Um, I was most nervous about tearing. Yeah, I think most women are because I’ve heard I’ve heard the horror stories and you know, it’s just it’s more trauma, it just like anything else is like, you know, this, labor and delivery is like something where you, you know, you’re gonna get hurt. It’s like, if you went to go play a soccer game, you’re like, Well, I’m gonna tear my MCL about midway through this game here. That’s just undeniable. Like, it’s just nerve racking to go into so I was doing everything beforehand to like, Okay, try and mobilize my pelvic floor by keeping mobile hips. So glutes, hamstrings, inner thigh, like everything. Just wanted to be relatively mobile, I don’t do yoga. It’s just not my cup of tea. It’s I need I need something more intense. Like I want to slam things to to release tension. I don’t meditate. So that’s I kind of did like passive and active mobility through working out. And honestly, I still tore, so but you’re like, my midwife was just like you’re an athlete. You’re really strong those muscles that it’s, it’s okay. It’s pretty common. I also probably pushed a little bit too hard. So without giving you my whole birth story, I actually am super lucky. And I’m gonna I’m just gonna say it’s because I worked out the whole time. And I was like, mentally and physically prepared. I’m super lucky. Most women on average, are in labor for 20 plus hours with their first Yeah, my water and I think only 10% of women have their water actually break. My water actually broke at nine o’clock at night. I was sitting on the couch and like, shot up because I thought I peed myself. I was like, oh, no, yeah. Then I was like, this is different. My water broke at 9pm. And by 6am Chi was born. So I had nine hours from start to finish, which is like super I pushed for about an hour. I did all natural. I didn’t do any drugs. Or I didn’t do any epidurals, I did do a little bit of fentanyl, the, the sorry, the IV fentanyl is different than the drug fentanyl that people die on. So if you’re really, if you’re really concerned about that, it’s normal for them to offer that to you. Which honestly, it didn’t really take the pain away. It just kind of helped me sleep and rest for a little bit in between because I was up all night and yeah, I didn’t pull all nighters in college. I wasn’t. I’m a sleeper. So I was just tired. But had kind of all natural. And I did have a little bit of tearing because pain is a huge motivator. And I was super done with contractions and pushing and so I probably just pushed strong Yeah, and pushed a little bit too hard and held a contraction or held held my push a little bit longer than it should and she just popped right out. Like I felt I felt the pop and I was like, Oh no, but you know, then you have a baby. And you’re okay, so yeah, I got stitched up and went from there. But the workout, man, labor and delivery is the hardest workout you will ever do. If I feel like for sure you there is no exercise that can completely prepare you for labor delivery because you’ve never had to push something out of your body. You can’t i can’t train you for that. Yeah, it’s really hard to train. I can say that doing key goals as an exercise to prepare your pelvic floor for pushing is not helpful. Because you don’t push from your pelvic floor you push from the top of your core like your diaphragm when you’re trying to push that out. I distinctly remember like when they’re like okay, push i That’s where I was I’d take my big deep breath in and do your you know your breathing and you’re pushing from the top your core to get that baby out. And it was I was literally thinking about this while I was in labor delivery. I was like, I’m so glad that I did so much core even through the end of my pregnancy so that I could I could do this because I can’t imagine not having this strength to be able to push Yeah. And my midwife was just like, You’re so strong she is moving with every single push and contractions she was just like working her way down. There were no like, there was no moment where she’s like, you know, we need to adjust this because it’s not working or you need to push from here. She was like no, like she’s just cruising down and taking her time and like she’s she was making her way out. She was doing it and it was all it was good. We worked together on that one. Yeah. And I gave birth in it was super satisfying actually. So I use the squat bar. Yep.

Kaleena
Which they originally had me like sitting up. So I was at a squatting position I was having really bad back labor pains. So we switched to where I could be on my back, but they actually had my feet propped against the squat, the squat bar, kind of like if you were in the OB office in the stirrups, yep. But like that, and then my midwife literally took a sheet like a bedsheet and wrapped it around the top of the squat bar. So it was like a TRX, she gave me the sheet and gave me this was like, grab onto these Kaleena. And every time you like, when you’re gonna go push, you pull yourself up so that I’m in like a crunch position, or I’m pulling so I get more of my upper body and cord push. And I was like, this is super satisfying, actually, for me, because I felt like I could give it my all and really push. And that’s how that’s how I delivered Taya. It was Super Saturday. I’ve never been so sore from my hands all the way to my neck, though, from gripping onto that sheet so dang hard. But I do remember fishing. And that was the hardest workout of my life like sweating profusely now goes, Yeah, but I felt super thankful that I did all the training that I did, because like That was exhausting. But even more so grateful for how I recovered postpartum.

Paden
Yeah, so walk us through that. Because I think that’s where a lot of women like I think we have so much anxiety going into birth going, I don’t want to tear same things you already said. But then there’s new fresh anxiety, which is, oh, my gosh, I don’t have the same body. Am I okay with that? Did I expect that? And then what’s my mindset even around recovery? And what is that look like?

Kaleena
It is so different for each individual woman. And there are great guidelines out there, but it does. I mean, every person is different in how you labored and how you tore or didn’t tear. Did you have a C section like, what does that look like? I was up and walking within three hours of giving birth. And they were they were like, That’s great. Like most women, you know, they want the wheelchair and like, I mean, it’s trauma, when you stand up, it’s going to be pressure to your pelvic floor. And that’s dramatic. I was okay. Maybe it was shock. But I was okay. I was okay to move and knowing what we know about how the body atrophies anyway, if you’re sedentary, your muscles will naturally atrophied. So my philosophy was to just do something small it was to like, get up and just move a little bit I needed to get the rust out because I felt like I had been sitting in a car for 1012 hours or a long, you know, long trip, you just feel stiff. And I wanted to get up and move. Not to mention like within the first two weeks, you’re just holding your baby and you’re in this kyphotic crunched position on the couch. And I was like, Oh, this is killing my body.

Kaleena
Breastfeeding neck or whatever they

Kaleena
call it. Yeah,

Kaleena
it’s a real thing. Yeah.

Kaleena
So and my concern, too, is that my you know, as a second degree tear, I had stitches. And I think if I was walking within, you know, we were at the hospital for two days, got home and we started walking. And that was just great. It was nice to get outside and walk. He was okay, it was very slow. It wasn’t very long, you know, and they just say, you know, watch how much you bleed, you know, watch your own recovery and go from there. So after a week or so I was like, Okay, I’m gonna get into the garage. And I’m going to just do our lunch warmup. And when we say lunge, or like I’m not lunging to work out, I am, I am lunging to move my hips and move my thoracic spine so that I could start like stretching things. But I and I went into level that was comfortable for me where it wasn’t painful. And anything that I did, it was like if I can feel this in my pelvic floor because I wasn’t totally healed, then I would stop and I would go a little bit shorter range of motion until I didn’t feel it and I go this still feels really good for my body just to move I’m just not feeling any pressure and just get getting the rest out per se. And even I think two weeks postpartum I actually signed up for semi private and I came into the remember that I came into the gym was like I just need to go for my mental health. I was like I want to get out of the house. I’m going to take an hour for myself to do some foam rolling undistracted does it feel like as a new mom to you know, everything is like you’re right there you want to be right there and you can’t focus like even if you’re like I’m going to foam roll if you hear the baby cry or like what’s wrong every muscle tenses instantly. Yeah, you’re like oh my gosh, so I had to just get out and it felt great to come in and oh my god stretching felt so good to use the the true stretch and to just hang off of something and stretch my upper body to on crank myself from the breastfeeding position felt great. And it was just a progression after that. It was that was a nice little jumpstart to be like, okay, good. This shows me that I need to start moving more, because I feel so much better afterwards. Yeah. And it wasn’t it’s interesting to me when they say like don’t work out or don’t exercise. What do you define as exercise? And I think a lot of women have that issue too. When we say even though we’re a gym, like no come, you can come to us for recovery and like some movement work, and they’re like, Well, I’m not supposed to exercise, like, just because we’re a gym doesn’t mean like, we’re not coming in here to go full throttle by any means we can come in to just move your body. You don’t even have to break a sweat. But you can just move to kind of unwind yourself and help yourself out. Yeah. So that was that was really great to get in and move around. And then it’s certainly not the same body for a long time after after labor and delivery. Because, too, it’s just like, if you stopped working out for three months, you know, and then you’re like, trying to work out together, like, wait a minute, this is not the same. Well,

Paden
I forget who said it. And maybe it was Michael It told me this like, hey, like, how long does it take you to make a baby and put on the baby weight that’s healthy? Because there is an amount of baby weight that’s super healthy for the mom. And like we don’t forget that. And then how do you give yourself the same amount of time, if not more? Just don’t take the don’t put this pressure on yourself? Just know like you’re it’s really about how you feel? And that’s what I like about what you’re sharing? Not once have you said what you look like in the mirror? And whether that how that made you feel? Right,

Kaleena
right. Actually, I before I had her because I’ve had the privilege of listening to women talk about their experiences and their bodies and going, I don’t want my experience to be like that, or, Oh, I really like that. I would like my experience to be like that. So I went into pregnancy in my postpartum recovery with this mindset that I wasn’t going to be hard on myself for what my body looked like. Because yeah, I told women all the time who were we’re so much harder on ourselves, and we aren’t others. I can have women come to me like I look terrible. I have this baby weight. I was like, first of all, you created a human. That’s a miracle in itself. Give yourself some kudos and some credit and be kind to yourself. It’ll it’ll come off eventually. No, and don’t. Don’t worry about it. So after I gave birth, I remember like looking at my belly and be like, you just did an amazing thing. Yeah. And it was actually like, I had this self appreciation for what my body did. And I wasn’t really concerned about what my body looked like. I’m honestly still probably 20 pounds heavier than I was at my age. I’m 20 pounds heavier than my usual and I’m not super concerned about it. Yeah, I’m still breastfeeding. I tried to do I tried to do a little diet cut and my milk dried up and that was awful. So I was worth it. I can’t dance. I can’t do this. So I just said I’m just gonna be a little pudgy until she’s done breastfeeding and it’ll just be it’ll be what it’ll be you know, nobody’s nobody’s looking at me going oh my god, she’s still so she looks like she’s pregnant still, I can’t believe she’s not back to where she should be like, five five I’m five months postpartum yet but like Michael was saying nine months in nine months out Yeah, months and 10 months out

Paden
but true. Be truth be told for me. I don’t think I was back to my pre pregnancy weight with Kennedy until right before I got pregnant with Jackson. So straight for me. I I’m with you on that. Like I did have a moment in the mirror where I just said thank you to my body. Yeah. And I was like, and it was a powerful moment, because we’re hard when it’s us in the mirror. Like that’s not a good moment for a lot of good self talk to be repeated. But if you can reclaim that with some really powerful words, never been prouder of my body.

Kaleena
Yeah. Right. And like, our kids don’t care. Oh, they they’re never they’re never gonna care what we look like, you know, they just want to be loved. And that’s the most important thing so and, you know, when you have a kid, you have less time to dedicate to yourself. So of course, we’re not going to get back if we were working out like I was working out like five, six days a week before I was pregnant. You know, that was just my lifestyle. And now it’s like, Dude, I got three workouts in Hell yeah.

Kaleena
This is awesome week is a great week. Yeah,

Kaleena
you do what you can because your days are just they’re just more full now. So it’s just a lifestyle adjustment.

Paden
Totally. Alright, so wrapping up this episode, if you had any pregnant women listening, what advice would you give them just coming through this experience that you’ve been through?

Kaleena
Workout? Do do some sort of exercise? The I cringed at the exercises that they told us that we could do while we were pregnant because it was so it was like you were disabled. Like it was completely like you’re disabled you can’t do anything your body is super fragile. There is a point where yes we’re going to be limited but my thing is postpartum they don’t tell you will don’t bend over and pick up your kid up out of the crib. Yeah, don’t not sue got on the floor to pick up your child like you’re gonna have to get on the floor to play with them you’re gonna have to bend over you’re gonna have to lift this you know? We were just talking like all of the things that I purchased for kya were like if you if I was just by myself with her and I had to open up the stroller if I had to carry the diaper bag like all of these things I have to do with one hand Oh totally.

Paden
I mean I want you to come to my house because we nanny share on one day a week a year you’ve got you know backpack on and of course the most up awkward all baby car seats are so awkward to hold, and you’re like one arming it and opening a gate to get to my house. And I’m like, it’s crazy what we do,

Kaleena
yeah. And you control your bodies and all these weird ways. Like, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone to, like, get something out of the refrigerator, and I’m holding chi and she, like, you know, they tried to escape out of your arms for no reason whatsoever. And she, they fail and you’re like, Oh, my God, don’t fall and then grabbing something out of the fridge and you just contort your body. But all of the things they have us do are like Safe, safe, safe, safe, but then when you look at what we do afterwards, nothing is in like this perfect little box of safe environment. We’re always like, unbalanced with our weights and doing all these things. And so you just need to keep doing that it’s so much better for us because you can’t you don’t get a break after that. Like there’s no prepare. If you don’t train, prenatal, you’re gonna be super out of shape for being a mom and just everyday mom activities postpartum.

Paden
And there’s a lot of pain that new moms complain about, like neck, headaches, and it’s like, gosh, your neck and what’s going on here and like in random low back pain and all this different stuff. And it’s like it’s all connected.

Kaleena
100% and I have been super fortunate I still you postpartum didn’t have any residual pelvic pain didn’t have any sciatica. I had some minor like shoulder neck pain, but that’s literally from carrying my daughter in one arm all the time. So it just takes some work to like unwind all of that. i Yeah, I’m just barely five months postpartum. I have no incontinence. I have no more diaster says I do not have any prolapse or pain with sex like everything is honestly like back to to normal. I’m gonna put that in quotes relatively. And I’m just working to get back into playing soccer shape. That’s my my biggest conundrum right now is that I want to go play soccer. And every time I go to try and play I like pull a muscle because I haven’t done Sprint’s. Yeah, for for like a year and a half now, you know, even with COVID. Two, we didn’t play soccer with COVID. So I’m like trying to get back into like, how do I play soccer and do all of my fun sports? Yep. And just get back in shape for that. But otherwise, body wise, I feel great. And I fully accredited it to working out and staying active during my pregnancy?

Paden
And then any final advice for women who are postpartum? I mean, even if it hasn’t there, you know, a year or two postpartum listening to this going, Gosh, what can I do? Because what you just rattled off is no pain was sex and, and all of these different things and unknown continents, etc. Like and where if they’re experiencing that, what would you advise them besides buying your EPIC program?

Kaleena
Well, we do, I do do free 15 minute consults, whether it’s over the phone or zoom or in person. So that’s a good place to start to. If you want to work with me or work with Jim Daza, that’s a great place to start. Otherwise, you can work with your local pelvic floor physical therapist, or just a local personal trainer, honestly, and find some money, who is going to understand your limits and how you can how you can get back to you. But if you are experiencing dysfunction, speak with a professional. Not every trainer knows how to work with women with dysfunction. If you’re a trainer listening, I do mentorships we do female core mentorship, where we educate you on the female pelvic core, and how to train women who are experiencing this these dysfunctions so that you can get them out of this pain. I have a client who came to me she had a second C section. And the doctors told her don’t do anything for eight weeks. She needed eight weeks. And I was like he weeks What do you mean, don’t do anything for eight weeks, she’s still gonna have to pick up her baby and like get in and out of the car. She’s got a four year old what she can do with the four year old like you still have to do activities with them. And I said, Just come see me. And we got her in. And it took a little bit of convincing. But she came in at three weeks postpartum from a C section and I had her do some really light mobility work and just breath work with motion to help kind of stimulate some blood flow, this swelling in her C section, incision went down 90% After an hour, well after one session. And she was told after that she’s been coming in now twice a week and they tell you even they told me who had a vaginal delivery don’t do any core work for six weeks. And I was like that’s really interesting because I really need my core to work so that My back doesn’t hurt so that I can get in and out of bed. And so I can like lift things or do anything. We’ve had her doing core work, light core work, if you want to learn again, if you want to learn how do you do core work without doing crunches or sit ups or planks? Like how do you modify for that we’ve got a million ways to do that. And she feels great. She’s now six weeks postpartum, seven weeks postpartum, and she’s crushing it and she’s just like, I feel great. She feels sore, but no pain, no incision pain and He’s just rocking it awesome. But that’s the power of movement therapy and understanding how the pelvic floor works.

Paden
Awesome. Well, thanks for jumping in here back in studio. I love this. I love our conversation feels so good. I love it. Awesome. Well, thanks for listening. And if you want to hear more from Kaleena, we have other episodes where we’re talking about all sorts of fun things like posture as you walk and all the joys of being a female and training for our unique body. So tune in for those

Michael Hughes
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