Leo Savage on Steel Mace Flow, TRX Inspirations and Weightlifting as Expression
Michael Hughes
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CJ
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Gymnazo podcast. I am your host, CJ Kobliska, the director of programming here at Gymnazo. And I’ve got one of my favorite people that I feel like I’ve met in past lifetimes and even in future lifetimes. He is the creator of steel mace flow, he’s got quite the history and quite the quite the following right now in the community right now. And steel mace flow, it really opened my eyes to what flow can be and what the expression of myself really feels like it looks like through using a steel mace. So welcome on Leo, first of all, man, it’s great to have you on.
Leo
Thank you so much appreciate the invitation and everybody out there watching thank you for your time. I felt like we’ve known each other too, right? Like, but this is thing that happens when you see somebody who moves you go, you just can reflect on your journey, you can acknowledge that they’ve gone on a journey. And it’s there is a Brotherhood or a kinship that is formed from watching somebody move. I keep up with you online and you keep up with me online. And so we have known each other for a while. You know, one of my favorite moments and in your post is you and your own habitat like you’ve created a dojo I like to say a dojo rather than a gym at home. You know, Nan home gym, it’s not as romantic. But you’ve got this dojo at your home that you work out and I believe we tested you for still make for the level one and but just like seeing you groove in that space and you express yourself in your authenticity has allowed me to go, I feel like I know that guy and that you know, it’s probably what you’re dealing with to man, we’re movers.
CJ
Yeah, you’re gonna have your space. I mean, you’re holding space for so much for yourself or others around you, especially coaching. It really is a dojo, I call it the dojo to and I think I’ve been been inspired by specially since the pentad pandemic, everybody’s you know, at home gyms have developed and morphed into more Dojo like and holding space like settings where it’s not just equipment that you’re moving around and thrown around. It’s movement that you’re you’re learning to express yourself deeper with and learn more about yourself and essentially, the forces around you and within you.
You know, just I know it’s a little bit off topic, but the different
name of the game here.
Leo
Yeah, speaking of the name game, the difference between a gym and a dojo in my, in my years. So my fitness career started out. My first movement practice was martial arts. And I say I say that, and sometimes I get a weird reaction because people don’t often look at martial arts as of movement practice. But when you tell somebody your first movement practice was martial arts, it opens up this whole world for them. Like whatever movement you’re practicing, like, there’s this whole world of martial arts, that’s movement that you could practice. And so when I went to the dojo, the things I learned inside of it, were for outside. And then when I went to the gym, the things I learned inside of the gym, were for inside the gym, because the gym had the equipment. I didn’t go outside and like just randomly bench press and squat things. But, you know, whenever I learned like a sidekick, I’ll never forget the day I learned fucking sidekick, you know. And the thing that Shawn Michaels used to knock people out with the WWF for any of you who are old wrestling fans, and I couldn’t learn it in the dojo. I couldn’t chamber a kick and throw it. And I went home and I practice and practice and practice and there was this tree and I just would kill the tree. It was with the bottom of my foot. So it wasn’t like, like, anything’s like wild, but I would just like kick this tree over and over. And I realized, okay, well what I learned a little bit different than what’s going on in the gym. Other people are picking this up, I have to go home and kind of teach myself how to chamber the kick and fire it up But I when I used inside the, the karate space, I always practiced all the time. In my, in my, in the physical world, you know outside, even when I bought pants, man, I had to make sure when I bought pants, I could do karate kicks in them. You know what?
CJ
That’s that’s the real test when you go try anything on I think it’s pants like high kicks, deep squats, something, something that’s flowing something that’s really extreme excessive, but you got to know it’s like you stress test it.
Leo
Yeah, it makes it makes sense to me now. But yeah, so kind of kind of off the story. But that’s, that’s how I like to think you know, in flow, it’s my message to the world is to create flow to live in flow. I remember the first time I found flow are different experiences. When I found like the flow that stuck out to me and grabbed me, it activated my reticular activating system. Do you know what that is, CJ?
CJ
Tell me, tell me more.
Leo
Okay. A reticular. Activating System is like very simple. When you buy a Volkswagen, and then you go drive, you’re conscious that the car exists, you see Volkswagens everywhere. So your reticular reticular? Or, I can’t even say it now. System is your ability to recognize a pattern like once it’s once it’s already happened. What was I saying before that,
CJ
essentially use D tapping into the flow, you tap into
Leo
the flow. So once you got your flow that you really enjoy, and you accept this flow state, then you can look back at your life and go like, when I used to play with my GI Joes, I was in flow state. Yes, like when I used to play like lava monster. You know, I’m talking about lava monster as a kid, man,
CJ
the floor was really lava, you’d really burn yourself, you turn the carpet,
Leo
you would see it before it happened, right? You’d be like, I’m gonna jump down the slide, I’m gonna hit the dirt. I’m gonna go this way. I’m gonna hit the fence. Because I know the girls are gonna go that way. And they’re slow lava monsters gonna get them hit the fence. Now I’m going to be up here before anybody. And so I can feel where I had moments of flow state. But flow state wasn’t a word. It was a word in other languages, like so many new warrior spirit, getting in the fucking zone, getting in the zone I was in.
CJ
But what I gotta know, what was what was kind of that thing that activated that system that when you? Was it like a lot of training beforehand and speak to you’ve heard of it? And like, Okay, this is something I want to pay attention to? Or was there a moment where you just got lost in time was not a thing. And you were like, what was that? Like? What? Was there something that’s reflecting back to you like, Oh, this is flow, that first time that it really hit? Or was it a gradual like filling of a bucket? That then your bucket was full of flow? You’re like, well, I recognize all these little drips that was within it. Now I can just keep filling this bucket up. Because I know ways to fill it.
Leo
Yeah, so I’ve had quite a few experiences were like that. So I can just kind of take from just different journeys I’ve had. So here’s a good place to start. Flow wasn’t in my consciousness because the word wasn’t ever set. And so there’s this saying, with my words I create. And so once you have a premise for word, then you can start creating. And the first time I heard the word flow, our soul the Word Flow. There was a TRX video, and it was called, like, T r x flow by Sara, you know, and I watched I was super into TRX I loved it. I love TRX it felt like gymnastics and weightlifting, just like married each other. And so I loved like I loved the marriage of two worlds like bodybuilding and then like being a very functional athlete. And so I watched Sarah do her TRX thing. And really all she was doing was a sequence. She would do one move, transition to another position, do another move, transition to another position. And she had this five minute choreography choreographed routine she did and she just called it flow. And I said, Oh flow, I need a good try that like I know all the TRX moves. One of my favorite parts is transitioning. And I went into the gym and put together this pattern and found like my first hit of flow Now it wasn’t this like super overpowering thing where I last time there was some time loss because I’m learning and I’m having fun I’m creating. But it wasn’t this like huge. It wasn’t my calling. There’s this thing you called your Damon Damon not demon Damon. But it’s your Yeah, it’s this this mythological thing when you find the thing you’re looking for you obsess over it, you dream about it, you get fucking tattoos on your hand over you just go. And you know, people say like, I want to find my calling. When you’re willing to give up everything that you’ve built your complete identity to go chase this thing down, you might have found it. But the first time I found flow with in that deep sense, I have it on video, it was this coolest thing. I’ll try and tell the story kind of fast because some people have heard it but I’ll slow down on some of the important parts. I saw this. While I was working at a UFC gym. A UFC gym is a big box gym. So they have traditional training, but they highlight kickboxing classes and functional training like your favorite MMA athlete. And so it was my job to train people in kickboxing, but also give them like state of the art. Like UFC fighter training, mixed martial arts training, and I would always watch mixed martial arts, MMA mixed martial arts athletes train and I saw a an athlete training for a fight and he was hitting a tire with a sledgehammer and he was doing it with one hand. I’ve never seen anybody swing a sledgehammer with one hand. I’ve never I never seen it. Have you ever seen it?
CJ
I mean, now now I have better Yeah,
Leo
yeah. But it was like it was this crazy thing. And I thought this dude was so strong. And I thought I had this thought of man, if I would have got a black belt in sledgehammer. I would be so strong right now. I would be, I was like, I would be the strongest person imaginable. And I went to the gym, and I picked up the sledgehammer. It’s not very well lit, I picked up the sledgehammer. And I found my calling, I swung the hammer around, lost track of time, lost track of critic. My inner critic turned off, I was in flow so hard. My first flow looked looked bad, man. It looks it looks super bad. And I couldn’t tell because I was high on flow. I found my calling my thing. And I’m just, I fucking go for it. And you know, I had this awakening. One of many big awakenings. And I went online, and I just searched everywhere like hammer workouts, and there was like, no hammer workouts. And it was like, I ended up going down every rabbit hole I can trying to find somebody who’s practicing martial arts with a sledgehammer. And the closest I can get is like some Chinese kung fu. They have a lot of polearm staff with some type of implement on it, like a spear, a big blade, a poll, and then like some type of attachment. And so there were, there was nothing. I couldn’t I couldn’t believe it. Like there was, I felt like I stumbled onto something like I gotta download like, just this free gift. And it came super easy. The movements, they came so easy that I was convinced that there was somebody else doing this. Like, this is so cool. It’s so rewarding. My body started to change, physically change. And here’s the thing, if you’re happy, you’re gonna grow. I mean, prove me wrong. If you’re happy, you’re gonna grow you’re gonna grow in whatever direction you’re headed in. I was on this fitness journey. I was fulfilling my calling, moving everyday creating Uncharted central nervous system, inputs just getting pumped full alive. And I look stupid man. But I didn’t care. I didn’t care what other people thought. And it was. It just kept growing and growing. Notice this prior, it was a personal practice, which I think everybody should have. Everybody in you. Everybody has one. It just depends on how you look at it. I like a personal practice that’s full of personal development and you can continue to go to every day. Not to perfect the same move, but to perfect or create new moves or new, create new stuff. And the mace or the sledgehammer because there were no moves every day was this exploration of like, of self. Like, I’ve never been able to meditate. Dude, I wanted to be a samurai hanging out with the, with a monk on top of a mountain, meditating all day. But I couldn’t sit still my whole life, I can’t fucking sit still, how am I gonna, I can get to the top of the mountain, no problem, but you want me to sit by this guy. No way I can’t sit. But moving, I found a way to move my emotions. I found a way to meditate. And I found a way to be with myself. To my life has been chaos man. I don’t know if you’ve seen my tattoos, but I got the tattoos of a fucking warrior.
CJ
Dude, I want to dive into those two, there’s so many things I want to break down in there. Because there’s like, bits of golden wisdom that I think our listeners heard. But there’s there’s a lot of depth to it. And one being the downloads, and two being the the emotional moving, right? You’re shifting things out of you. And I think those two go hand in hand one being a download on how to how to move emotion or just move energy that’s, it’s like your body kind of just soak stuff up. And then we identify with those things. But they’re not really us. It’s just other parts of energy that then kind of over time creates who we are, and some things we don’t choose. And other things we do. But a lot of things we don’t choose, it ends up either taking us down a whole spiral that we don’t want to go through a lot of depression, anger, frustration, boredom, lack of interest and stuff. And that moving of the energy like that’s what I think emotion really is, is energy in motion. And when it becomes stuck and stops moving, that’s when we start to identify with these little emotional pieces that are like, we think that we’re an angry person or a frustrated person or a depressed person, we say we are this, when those are just little things that are meant to pass through us and teach us something that I think there’s an opportunity when we pick up anything or just move our body. If we’re open to it receptive to it, there’s going to be some kind of download and I want you to kind of dive into what you mean by download. See if we’re like on a similar wave here. Or if you can teach me something about what is it? What do you mean by download on your body or your your motion?
Leo
Okay, so moving to motion, I can riff on that a little bit. Fairly easy. But the Dalits challenging, so let’s go for that cool word. I started saying recently. You ever heard hear some people say some slang and you’re like, I’m never gonna say that. Like, then you say,
CJ
no cat. Well, but
Leo
yeah, so I hang out in the spiritual community. And they use weird words like toxic masculinity, divine masculinity, divine, feminine, feminine. And, and one of the words they say is downloads, and I quote, I took some ayahuasca, and I got a download from the other side. When I came back, I knew my mission. And I went for it. And I built this thing, based off of a download a download from what I gather, is when your shit so clear that you can listen to yourself. Like I get it, like maybe there’s some things out there, there’s some energies. But I think the download for me is when you clear out. I don’t think for me the download is when I can clear the shit out and I can listen to myself. And I can find that right answer out of the sea of 1000s of answers. And download for me because you’ve done all the right things and you’re in the right spot. Hey, you did the wrong things to get there. So when I mean, you did all the right things. Remember that time you fucked up and you got the F and chemistry? Yeah, that got you here. So you did all the right things to get you into the position to where when you had the information. It felt seamless. It was a download like click got it. It wasn’t like the old dial up download. This is the modern age download. So I’ve started referring to that transference of thought into motion into the physical into wherever it goes from there as the download and the moving emotion. You’re right. It means for me We’re right. In okay. And so in order for somebody to show like, show emotion, like, how does somebody do that? It’s like what their physical being? Right? Like you show emotion by like smiling. Like you’re like moving emotion. So this is like, what happens when you move there’s emotion. When I was in martial arts when I competed in any competition, the truth that they told me was if you are emotional, you will make a rash decision. You’ll make the wrong decision. Don’t be emotional when you’re being in competition. You know, what I found out in martial arts is when I fucking yelled I couldn’t break anything. There was a board I couldn’t break it. I yelled I did my key Yeah. A fucking broke it. You should have seen it. I was a little kid would just bust everywhere. Yeah. Put a brick in front of me. Guess what? I punched it. I was scared. I didn’t yell my fucking hand hurt. I looked at that brick. I might I got upset. Fucking on my hand. People are watching. I want to be a ninja turtle. brick. Brick blows up. Don’t be emotional. So we’re training, weightlifting. weightlifters don’t move your spine. Lock that pitch into place. Lift, no emotion. Body language is emotion. I have learned that when the heart sticks out. There’s a certain posture. And when the heart hides behind your shoulders, there’s a certain posture. And so if somebody’s having a bad day, and they want to express themselves in their workout, or move some emotions around, if you have this tall, neutral unexpressive posture, it’s hard to move emotion. So what I what I’ve come to understand is that it is okay to train with emotion. Based on the philosophy, you are susceptible to getting injured in the ranges you don’t train in. If you don’t train your emotions, you’re going to get hurt, sometime you’re going to have a heartbreak, you’re going to have a transition, and your heart can’t handle it. No matter how much the body is trained no matter how many miles you can run, a problem still exists, you know. So moving, moving, the motion for me was like, I can’t do it sitting still, let me move my body around in and see if I can create meditation.
CJ
There’s so much there, man. I mean, just think about the people that we work every day work with every day, some people, this is their hour or two hours to just not think about the outside world what happened before what happened after it’s just that hour and or that two hours, whatever it is. And by the end of that time, they they leave with a smile on their face, or just a shifting or a transforming of their energy just by just by moving. And part of it is the atmosphere, the environment that you’re in, right, if people are talking down on you get negative self talk on these pieces, you might not experience that. But with the right space, the right dojo, and the right kind of bridge, knowing that the end of this hour, you just gifted yourself this time to be you to express you. I think it kind of starts out initially just as as exercise, right? It’s like, Okay, gotta do this exercise, this exercise, exercise, exercise. And then the byproduct at the end is endorphins or just feeling better. But it’s like, that’s like the first chapter of the story. That’s just you becoming aware that you can transform your energy, transform your your state of mind by moving and then the more you practice or start to focus on something specific, you’ve got to Mason, your hands a kettlebell rope. Maybe you’re a competitive shooter, and it’s when it’s the guns in your hand, you’re shooting targets, maybe got a bone there, or maybe it’s when you’re out like, everybody kind of has the laser focus in a sense that they can you can continue to find ways to internationalize that transformation, and internalize it. It’s not just going to happen as a byproduct. Now you can start to navigate and steer your way through. And I think in that process of discovery is where you can start to figure out your flow or understand your navigating all these little things that have happened to you in your whole life. It could be something when you were five years old, could have been something or we could go it could have been something this morning, it could have been something you’re anticipating, you’re holding on to these thoughts or ideas that are things that aren’t right now. It’s like you kind of get out of this presence. But then as soon as you start moving, the sensations, the feelings, your body almost takes over and pulls you back in pulls your mind back in. And now you have your like you’re in the captain’s seat, right? Like which way do I want to go? And either you maintain your same patterning or whatever or your program is or you start doing something chaotic and shifting around and exploring. That means to the outside looks like what the hell are you doing? Like, it doesn’t look like there’s any purpose. But internally, you’re just letting go of stuff that you’ve been holding on to. And your body’s kind of figuring out the rest. And I don’t know, does that resonate at all kind of that, that sense of navigating your terrain in your training in your practice, that every time you come back, you learn to navigate yourself better, or move more freely. And that’s kind of a physical expression of what’s going on within you. Like when it starts to look beautiful, it starts to feel graceful and elegant. And that may or may not be the end goal, in a sense, but that’s kind of where you end up just by practicing. Driving, right? You’re driving, usually, you put your hands on the steering wheel, you’re like, I got just the wheel and decay, maybe I’m a stick shift, I got to think about just how I’m driving. But once you figured out how to drive, now you’re going to figure out where do I want to go, and then you’re just out cruising, you’re gonna like, I’m gonna go just drive around the neighborhood, I’m gonna go drive around the city, I’m gonna go on a road trip. It’s the case, same kind of thing. You’re practicing your movement, in the sense that you’re learning how to drive, you’re learning how to turn the stereo on eat a sandwich. So in the third gear, and then take a sip of your water, whatever you got all at the same time. Yeah, it’s like you can either do distracted driving, or you can do intentional pieces while you’re driving. Or you can drive better, right?
Leo
Or you can drive better. I thought you’re gonna throw text messaging in there, but I didn’t want to throw that in there, man. Yeah, it was tempting, though. So here, so here’s something that will go along with that. I did a I’m a sneaky coach. Yeah, I like to. I like to sneak lessons in there like, Mr. Miyagi, our Yoda or Mr. Yoda
CJ
drip, drip education drip wisdom. Here we
Leo
are with some more words. I’m learning this stuff. Okay, drip. I did this post. And I asked people, what was more what’s more difficult than expressing yourself or lifting weights? And what would you think the majority of people said?
CJ
Which one is tougher? Yeah. Definitely, I think they’d say lifting weights.
Leo
So Morphe, people thought it was more difficult to honestly express themselves, then then to lift weights. And of course, there were some people who were like, Man expressing myself easy, but getting into the gym is difficult, right? But here’s the trick. Or the lesson, not the trick, I can’t trick my students, I need to give lessons. At the infancy of lifting weights is an expression. When you think I need to lift weights, well, why? Well, I want to be bigger, I want to be stronger, I want to be, I am expressing myself, there’s a want. And so it was beautiful to see the post because I asked, you know, everybody to be polite and said, Hey, these are opinions and let some honor each other’s opinions. But you know, one person Express small and then one person expressed big. And then the weightlifter supported this person and this person supported this person. But nobody ever caught on that they were both doing the same thing that lifting weights is a form of expression. Because it’s that it’s that personal practice. And so it’s not like they’re two different worlds, like I’m talking about, like, Hey, I like to move my spine when I work out. And some people don’t. It’s so easy to point out the things that are different. But the conversation about the things that we have in common is a beautiful and healing conversation. And just like the space that this podcast is holding, giving a space for many movers to come and coexist and learn from each other and point out and learn. I have more in common with this mover, which I guess is where we started the conversation. I feel like you’re my brother are you know, like we’ve known each other and in past times,
CJ
you must have entered the space.
Leo
Now when once you once you can like recognize where flow is. You can recognize where it’s been. When you can recognize a practice or create a personal practice of recognizing the things that you have in common with people. Then in a way you’re putting yourself in their shoes, which if you can put yourself in my shoes, well then you can be open to seeing things that I see. Maybe not the way I see them. But like, Hey, I’ve gotten to know Leo, we have this common ground. He’s really into having amethyst crystals all over his place. He says it helps his Wi Fi signal out, I think but I’m gonna try it now. I just made all that up. But
CJ
it does help Wi Fi does it? I don’t know.
Leo
Yeah, Um, yeah. And so the journey, the journey for me is not to be like to tell people like, what’s right or what’s wrong, actually, I like to stalemate. My own conversations. To have it both ways. Even if me and you are agreeing on, we’re talking about cannabis, which is something that I practice and have enjoyed. I’m going to give the counter argument to stalemate the conversation. Because I like there to be more than one right answer.
CJ
I like your challenge at heart man, your challenger, that’s good. We need those in the world. Somebody who sees their side and sees another but more so just there’s not side and sides. It’s like there’s a is lenses, and you can share your lenses. But by putting those lenses on somebody else, they may be looking to the same lens, but with a different history and a different kind of focal point of how they’re framing what they see. Right based on based on your entire past and your entire trajectory in the future. Those lenses veers somewhere like this practice, right, this practice will give you a lens steel, Mace flow gives you a lens, it gives you a paintbrush, it gives you a language, it gives you a lot of things that you can explore, there’s a foundation set, but just like you take through anybody, the foundations, it’s going to look a little bit different. Each of those foundations for every single person’s body and you had mentioned like emotional anatomy and a sense of it. That’s what I love. It’s a very subtle art of coaching is just like instead of saying, hey, fix your posture and thinking there’s something wrong, it’s Hey, let your heart beam, let your heart shine, show it take command or Hey, close yourself off, protect, you know, there’s an expression to that motion. It’s not just a spine extension and a spine flexion. Like there’s, there’s pieces happening within you that pull you and hold you into a specific Pacific specific pattern, or position that lends yourself to again, seeing through a lens differently based on how you’re, you’re currently holding yourself. And if you’re unaware of how you currently hold yourself based off of all these past things, or past lives, meaning even in your current life that you’re living, there could be multiple versions of you, that’s got you to this point. And they’re like, I don’t even know who I was 10 years ago, but I needed to be that person to be who I am today. And I think your subtle art of coaching and having this as a trip education because we don’t want to just overwhelm somebody with what we know. It’s, you gotta learn, right, man?
Leo
Yeah, when I first got into coaching Mays, in the early days, in this, this course, something I tell my students is like, it’s a lot. Just kind of drip it in there don’t, you know, the practice is deep. I have a doctor in Belgium, who use this steel mace flow for to help treat clinical depression. And, you know, it’s like, well, like, what’s he doing? Why, right? And like, what did he do to it? And they’re like, nothing. He’s just teaching. Your level one still may flow based on the stories. And he’s, you know, he’s, we’ll see how his results are doing. I’m super excited that somebody found something to treat people with mental health problems. Whenever I’ve introduced a mace to somebody who’s a Western doctor. They’re like, Oh, asymmetric, light load acceleration, deceleration pivots, you know, but it was neat how this somebody from another country was like, Hey, this is this is the thing that I choose to use it for. And that’s the thing that I use it for, you know, when I first I didn’t mention when I first started teaching soulmates, I just threw it all that everybody mental health, this is how you express this is how you meditate moving. Look, this pose is called this wild name. You’re an ancient warrior. They’ve been, you know, it was just it was too much. And so when I became a businessman, and I said, Okay, well, I’m going to teach steel mace flow to the world. I said, Okay, well, what’s the world currently accepting? And I gave the world what they were accepting, which was the brass tacks on how to move with phrases that everybody could follow along with that you didn’t need to be a PT, or a personal trainer, you could just be a person who wants to get certified in something to better themselves. And so I wrote the level one based on a Foundation’s principle. And there’s this funny thing, my foot my buddy Matteo, we’re in his backyard, we’re talking and we’re keeps giving a mace lessons. And he’s like, Leo, why the fuck? Do I feel like nobody knows this shit. Unless you’re in the steel may slow underworld. I’m a Catholic. I’ve been teaching the brass tacks along I haven’t really dove into sharing the emotional aspect of Have it yourself, you know, you went to the stalemate flow level one online course. And it was until the day you certified that I told you the meaning of the test and what it means. And which I’m sure brought more meaning in your coaching and the way you deliver it in your own personal practice. And the way you see other people who move mace. And yeah, I’m curious about that. We could talk about that later.
CJ
Yeah, let’s let’s, I mean, if you want to dive in a little bit more into that language, let’s, I think this is just super helpful, because like you said, when I was going through this course, I picked up the mace about a year ago, I didn’t have one I’ve never thrown a mace. I love sledge hammer stuff. I had two four pound sledge hammers that I was just mucking around with spiraling and this is in like 2018, I actually got I went to Peru. After I’d explore for about six months of just a bunch of rotational coiling, I had no terminology though. It was just all feeling that my body was like getting pulled like I was, I feel my energy that was decreasing. I didn’t want to go do stuff I felt like it’s like is this depression is just just me being lazy Is this me? Like I needed to go do something I was having to do a lot of reflection. And I just finished a course with Dr. Joe Dispenza. That was like online about like manifesting your reality and understanding how emotions are not you and understanding how clear intent into clear intentions with an elevated emotion and you fully experienced in that internally and truthfully, experiencing that pose, you now become a gravitational pull for whatever you just saw an experience. So whatever has happened has already happened. And now you’re just going towards it because it’s happened in the quantum space that now in the physical it’ll catch up. Physical is just like the last element when we that’s what we experienced. But when we go inside, we see all these potentials. And once we latch on to one, we can go that way. So I was having a trouble, like fully integrating that into my life. And so kind of fast forward, I was just exploring movement, I created movement exploration channel when I was in an airport in Hawaii. And I just felt like stretching. And I did like a 45 minute time lapse. And when I finished I felt like this rush of joy and clarity that I was like, man when I get home. I don’t know what’s going to happen. But I’m I now am aligned. And so I didn’t know what that meant and journaled a lot right and wrote down stuff, true symbols. And it was like, this is just I don’t know what’s going on. But this is my process, I guess. And that at that point to that I had gone to Peru had an experience with San Pedro cactus and is the shaman and with all these people and my wife and I went in very confused, not knowing who my people were. And then I came out knowing who I was. And that was that I had no idea right, I was okay with the fact that I had no idea who I was, as we coming. And so a lot of these pieces that came in, I had met DJ and Tom and a lot of other kind of movement practitioners, breath workers, yogi’s that had shared their journey a bit. And I felt okay, I just need to keep exploring and expressing. And then comes along whack method, I go direct method, and I got my first real like, download were like that same terminology. Like I felt when I left whack method, I went back to whatever I was doing, and I got better at whatever I was doing. Because of this weekend experience. I got faster, I got more efficiency. I wasn’t worried about my timing on my runs anymore. I was worried about how good it felt. And I just got lost in it. You know, like you just come running downhill full speed going. I feel like I’m looked like a maniac. But I felt so good. I got a huge smile on my face running down a mountain. And then it comes along steel mace. And I was like, this didn’t feel right. And like it was so weird. Like as I bought him as I put it down and I was like I’ll figure it out. But I realized now going through the course that I was just so vulnerable at that moment, that the mace that steel, that cold steel in the morning was just like, it was uncomfortable. And I didn’t know where to start. Because I have these hammers and like big Sledgehammer stuff as I hit stuff, but I didn’t know like a 360 I didn’t know like, when I hold them. It’s like this, like this can mean something to me. I just feel like this was like over under grip. And I felt like this is a vertical grip. And I felt like this was a lunge. And I was like, Leo doesn’t know anything. He’s saying the anti rotation. I’m all rotation like this is cool, but it’s not for me. Like a couple weeks off, I went back into the level one I was like, I’m gonna do this because I feel like it’s one of those things that’s making me uncomfortable and I need to go through that process. And so I literally like went in for like three weeks super hardcore, did all the hundreds and hundreds of reps every morning or every afternoon I was doing 503 60 And I was like this is actually feels really good and like oh, there’s joy in this it’s not about what Leah’s teaching me it’s about it’s about how he’s teaching me and how I’m teaching myself and the communication that’s developing from it. And at that point, I was okay now I’m gonna I want to test into honors right I want to I want to meet LEO I want to do the thing where it’s like I feel like it’s official stamp of approval that I can I can do it. Even though I feel like I could do some of the basic stuff and then upon And you give me the download of why you created like the story behind that. I felt like now that everything I was doing with a kettlebell, a rope, a barbell, or a dumbbell, a viper, a medicine ball, my exercises and programming in the next last month or two have become like a storybook. Like, it’s like every part is just another chapter in the book of becoming who I am. But it’s not just about me, it’s about now, seeing other people go through this journey with whatever equipment they’re using, or really, it’s their body, how are they communicating with their body through this equipment. And so I thank you for that. Because like that, I feel like it was another little, like, I needed an update, I needed a piece that was going to help me move smoother and more intentionally, that could provide more depth. And it was like, after the call, my heart was just like, Ah, I felt light and heavy at the same time. I wouldn’t, you know, it was like overwhelming. And then I could see other people when they pick up the mace how vulnerable they were. And like, it was like, Oh, how do I hold this thing? You know, like, it hurts my back my wrist. And I was like, Okay, well, let’s let’s work on just ripping and crashing. Let’s work on this. And like you feel your shoulders? How do you feel at the end of this workout? I feel good. Cool. Let’s do that. Let’s do some next week. And like, just kind of build upon this story for yourself. And it’s not about forcing the mace on somebody, but helping them come to terms with the expression through the piece of equipment and how to carry that over to other pieces. And I’ve just seen people like starting to smile when they do stuff. And when they can’t figure something out. They keep trying versus like, Ah, I’m just gonna do it. And it’s like, oh, now I feel so much more vulnerable than I did in the very beginning. But that vulnerability now has power. I can choose to be forceful, I can choose to go somewhere that I know. And then visit uncharted territory.
Leo
Man, that’s beautiful, dude. Thank you, man. Yeah,
CJ
I really thank you.
Leo
Yeah, we’d need a coach who brings a motion into training and says, Let’s do this. Like, whack said, dude, let’s coil. Fuck anti rotation. Let’s, let’s rotate as much as we can. And which is really cool that me and David have a ton of respect for each other. And for we love each other what we do, and we use the oil and water term, right? Yeah, as as a principle, I thought anti rotation was the language of the barbell, and everything that was symmetrical. So it just helped create what it is. And then of course, as you get into level two, there’s like, No, we’ve been the shit out of what we made strong. We’ve been the shit out of the spine and all and in all the ways. Yeah, there should be emotional feedback and training how to in how to do it. And, you know, it’s like, it’s beautiful. And so that thing when your student doesn’t get it, right, it goes from being a rep. Like, hey, like I only said, Do 100 reps. I know, but I’m trying to get it right. I wanted to go fuck all that. Let’s get veinous fuck, let’s do it, man. Like all these good vibes, only people thought that it’s both ways, man. There’s some vanity in there makes you feel good when not when I’m saying you look physically good and assured. But when you moved well, and it looked good. Like the biggest, strongest, most round, Olympic lifter who’s got the gold medal this year. heavyweight. I don’t know what they look like, I didn’t watch the Olympics, but I know what the heavyweight weightlifter looked like. And I would say if you walked and saw him walking down the street, you would not see that as a beautiful. Look at the beauty in that. I don’t think you would. But when he did his lift and got the gold medal, and he went back there. And he celebrated I guarantee you even though I wasn’t there, everybody commended him on his beauty. And I quote that was beautiful. That lift was beautiful. And beauty is important.
CJ
That it’s the grace and yeah, like the grace the E I really think it’s the ease really like the you make it look easy. You know see a skateboarder or biker rollerblader I use those because that’s what I kind of grew up with. Yeah, wow. Man, I could go do that. Look at how easy that is. And you go do it and like Well shit, I guess I can’t do it. But the next level is oh, I realize this is what it takes to you have to keep drilling and keep going and then you start to find almost like you’ve practiced so much and failed so much that now you’re aware of why you failed because oh my toe went that way. Or I looked over there and oh, I wasn’t even aware of how my head turned or how my my other foot was moving. And then you start to make those little fine tune adjustments like it’s okay you know, you have the steering wheel and and the stick and the clutch in the brake and the accelerator. But did you know you have a stereo and Bluetooth and heated seats and air conditioner on your steering wheel and you have these dope rims that you You can change on your car, you can also give it a lift or lower it, oh, now you have a tint, you have all these cool things that’s like it makes your car the way you want it to be. But we have this body and these movements and these neurons that are firing and wiring. And when we can start to pay attention, we now we can modify it because we recognize the piece or the thing that can be changed. And I feel like we keep diving that route. Well, it’s just our DNA and our gene code that like you just keep steering into like, Okay, what do I, what do I want to ultimately create, and you know that it takes time, it takes effort, but you’re now aware of that process and can recognize, and I use the state of flow, like you have the challenge and the skill? What is your skill level, where’s your challenge level, and if your skill level is way higher than your challenge level that you’re doing, you’re going to be bored, or you’re just going to be just going to leave it. If you’re practicing a skill or a challenge. It’s way too hard, like you’re trying to do, let’s say it’s your first mace mill, like 316, and come through the middle, let’s say you’re working just that path. But you don’t even know a 360 yet. And you don’t even know how the momentum of the head of the mace is traveling where it goes, it’s tough to think about making that fluid. But once you start to become aware of the path of the head, and then what your hands are doing, even just the simple twisting and ripping and grabbing the entire time you do it. You go wait, I can change something. Oh my gosh, I felt ease. Oh my gosh, I just tapped into something that made me smile. That’s the that’s that path of joy, like to pay attention to going, what did I do? And then can I recreate that, but then not getting obsessed with recreating that, get obsessed with the path to getting to that point, like that, and then go in all directions, not just straight up and linear. Take that into a sphere and go linear points outward and just make your potential bigger, right? It’s like, how can we help? Or help? How can we guide that process. And I really feel like with courses, like once you’ve gotten that level one, it sets you up for those little mods, those little pieces to pay attention to that once you’ve practiced it enough, you can now bring facial expressions, change stuff with your fingers to an elbow flare, a little heel kick on purpose, and people are gonna be like, Wait, was that on purpose? Or, or unintentional? And you’ll know, and you’ll be able to kind of steer that that site because you know, you’ve been there, you kind of know what people are paying attention to. And we get obsessed, I think with that ease and that grace in motion, because we we know how much work has gone into that. You know, and then you can really admire that practice. And he said it with you said it. Kept that. What do I say from here? Yeah, no, I think it’s I think where we go is just, it’s, it’s always about finding the ease. Like, I think we have a lot of dis ease in the world today. And a lot of it we see in movement in physicality. And we see the DIS ease in somebody’s motion when someone’s somebody’s forcing something, when somebody may be doing something so well and so powerfully, but they’re still getting injured or don’t feel good doing it. There’s a path that we can recognize there to pull us into ease that whatever path you take whatever equipment or tool you use, it’s not the tool, it’s what the tool teaches us. And then what we can do to teach that tool to other people and even learn from what they’re doing with it. Right. There’s always this trade off. It’s like, I think that’s what you shared with me is the mace teaches you something, but then use the mace to teach yourself something.
Leo
You know, it’s it’s like, that’s the lesson is like, you’re the magic. It’s not the mace. But, but people like to objectify, like, Hey, I’ve been doing this really powerful practice. Still nice flow. Hey, I’ve been doing this really powerful. Course I went through this course. And I’m a better person because of this course. But are you really working on yourself? I mean, the whole time. And it takes a while for, for a person who falls in love with the fitness practice to realize that they’re the one holding the power and the relationship that if you took the mace away, or the kettlebell or the gymnastic rings, it doesn’t mean that the person has not, cannot still work on themselves. And that’s one of the and that’s a particularly good place to be. And I do love it when somebody is a nice person. And they love it. And then they find out. They can move anything. I can do all this beautiful stuff with my body. I bet you I can do it with that chair. I bet you I can do with that kettlebell about you. I can do something with that barbell. I bet you I can do that in my relationship that I’m having trouble transitioning in or my job. And matter of fact, I’m a match master of transition. I transitioned so well with beauty with grace with strength in a way that I get to tap into my emotions. I’m ready. Let’s talk about functionally fit, not functional fitness but functional the whole way. I’ve got to go break up with My job I’m better trained for it, I better get my emotional sense. And yeah, you’re the you’re the instrument. I do love when people transition from stillness flow and go find their calling. I love it when I’m gonna bridge for somebody to be free. I’ve have I have so many students who don’t practice mace CJ, students have life Leo, that thing you said, I told I quit my job. I did it, I moved state. I told my girlfriend how I really feel. And now we’re getting married. It’s great to be a leader. accepted and tough, worked hard and created something and have people listen. And, but in order to be a leader, you have to have somebody to learn from. And I’ve consistently challenged my ego, to combat by learning from my students. You know, there’s so many masters out there that like created the style and the doctrine and the gospel, that it’s hard for them to learn anything because of the pecking order. I did realize a long time ago, I have so much to learn in this art, because I’ve only practiced it on me. But as I put it into somebody else’s hands and seeing what they’ve done with it, or what the doctor and Belgium’s doing with it, or what this yoga practice is doing with it. It’s beautiful. It’s beautiful man. To movement.
CJ
Yes, yes, it’s a movement. Yeah, I, I think we’re going through this time in fitness and health and wellness. Especially right now, just with the circumstances of dealing with a lot of people in fear, like you’re getting sick, and just a lot of uncertainties and unknown that people are looking to movement. And I’m not saying like fitness, like not just a workout setting. But movement in general, like learning how to either stretch, mobilize strength in, maybe heal an injury, or their people are searching out ways to just get some energy out. Because now they’re stuck at home, they’re on their computers, they’re on Zoom chats, and now their work life is at home. And they’re, they’re having trouble finding what the it’s almost like the internal Dojo too, right? Like your internal Dojo can be shown outward. And I mean, obviously, I want to ask about your dojo in your space. So I think it’s really important for people to to hear it’s like, what, what does that mean? And that people are searching out methods that work for them, they don’t need to follow a status quo, or like, I need to go get my 30 minutes of exercise. And each day, I think that’s still important. But I think it’s shifting to now. I just, I recognize when I’m stuck, or I’m feeling stiff, that I need to stop ignoring this and blaming or victimizing myself, right? And kind of going into this realm of what can I do about it? What can I do about this? Somebody else can obviously help me maybe I need some, a therapist of some kind, or coach of some kind, a guide of some kind, I need to go on a journey of some kind and find myself, you know, there’s a lot more access, I think, nowadays, but there’s so much that people don’t know where to navigate. And I think it really starts with putting something in your hands, like I said, like Mason hands, right? You put it in your hands and like you immediately have an experience. And if you can come to turn was that experience, like we’ve said vulnerability, and just recognizing like, well, I don’t feel safe holding this thing. Or Wow, I feel strong holding this, or wow, I just want to like hit something and build something I feel. If you feel that you know it, right? You feel it, you start to know it, but then you feel it harder and deeper. You start to cry when you’re swinging the mace, you start to yell like this is a really,
Leo
that’s some real shit, man. So the scientific method is not proving your model wrong, or right, it’s proven your model wrong. And so I have made a valiant effort in proving my shit wrong. But no matter what I do, no matter who I am in the world, or if I say something controversial. My students still cry when they swing mace. My students still express themselves when they swing mace, and they find the same moves as me CJ. Found the same path. Like somebody will hit me up Leo, this move has never been done before. And I’m like, oh, no, I did that, like eight years ago. Here’s the video. I’m better than you. I always say there was a time there was that time for me. And I think that’s something most creative art creators go through is trying to hold on to their baby. It causes the ego to roar, like horrible fire from hell.
CJ
Yeah, and I’ve discovered this you haven’t discovered this idea of,
Leo
you know, celebrating with them and doing it with them and letting them have a you know the piece of the pie and sharing the experience
CJ
in the I don’t know who says this, But you stand on the shoulders of giants and you’ll you’ll continue to rise together. I think I added that second part on there. But that’s just how I see it like, okay, Leo set the stage. Now he’s taking me through a path that I don’t need to go discover for myself in the sense of all these pieces and layers and put it into a course. Yeah, what he’s done is helped give me checkpoints. Like, oh, I recognize I got a checkpoint. Like there’s a there, I have a name for it or an emotion with that. But how does it mean something to me. And now I can stand on your shoulders and see over right, I can see that space noticeably better or just different, I can stand on your shoulders. And then basically, I can take what I’ve learned from you explore that. And then now I can share that with somebody else. And hopefully somebody stands on my shoulders. And we just keep seeing higher and higher space. But we’re not necessarily competing to see the highest space, we just know that we need each other to see that higher space. And that if I can stand on your shoulders, and you can stand on somebody else’s shoulders, that some that person who was swinging the sledgehammer with one hand at inspired you, let’s say, to go put a hammer in your hands, well, you just stood on his shoulders for a second of like, that was a path. And that just continues to go. But we need to accept that. And it’s tough to because as a creator, you want to be the one that kind of gets the credit for it. But knowing that will shit if I can create somebody else can create. But if I get caught up in like, they’re gonna create something before me, now it becomes a competition with them. Versus like that original message, which was just to feel good, and to like, explore and to express better for you. Specifically, I think that’s what we’re all doing is understanding that we are standing on each other’s shoulders, and at different points, you got to stand on my shoulders, I gotta stand on somebody else’s shoulders, somebody’s gonna stand on somebody else’s shoulders. And at some point, we can all see at this higher place going, Oh, look what we were looking at before. And we’re setting the stage for something larger than ourselves.
Leo
You really set it you know, with this old fight mentality, if you’re the strongest in the gym, you’re in the wrong gym, you need to go train at a gym where they’re stronger people. And you know, most communities, they really haven’t clicked well.
CJ
Tell me more. I don’t know about this.
Leo
Yeah, the mace communities haven’t clicked well. The traditional people at one time didn’t like the flow people. And you know, they just never seen anything like it before. And we’re very stuck in their ways. You know, times change and we’re tolerating people. And because there are different mace factions, there is competition. And it’s raised the bar for both sides. It’s healthy. There’s competition. There’s competition from outside. It’s gonna happen. So if I don’t train for that CJ, what’s going to happen to me when my competition Welcome to America calls your shit something else. Right, like feelings get hurt. So you should train in the emotion check this out. My goal for a while for quite a while was to not be the best I don’t want to be the best. All right, I want one of my students to kick my ass in the ultimate mace competition. So are still makes for Level Two system gives away the bigger checkpoints in what I’m doing when I flow to teach you your own checkpoints. CJ, we have hundreds of Level Two students. And we have 14 graduated students. 14 men and women have finished their final exam, their final test. Some people find what they were looking for in the work. And I’ve had friends who are my students and said, you know, hey, if I don’t complete this work it’s because I found what I’m looking for. I found I found that thing. And but there is this other thing. It’s hard. It’s difficult. But this evolution is happening CJ. I just taught tested a guy I’ve known for a while. This guy is hard man. He’s fucking hard as fuck. He’s got a hard job. He’s a man is Instagram gram name is violent. And he carries a gun. I mean the mother he’s the fucking you know, kicks doors down. He did this flow yesterday his test that brought the room to tears. And I’m sitting there going you might be better than me. I’ve created the thing. At one time. I was worried about that was injuring me. Competition from the outside. Now I’ve got 14 still makes flow level to students. They’re as good as me. You know, on some days, CJ, they’re better than me. And so I created the thing, the demon, I’ve created the thing, the conflict, but I’ve created it in this comforting way. You know, the devil on your shoulder is giving telling you something for you to make the decision you want to make. And so it’s nice to have both opinions or that in your own house. And so there’s my level. Now, CJ, I need to get better. I need to create another masterpiece of flow, so I can keep up and learn from and grow with my students. And that’s a beautiful thing. So there’s the competition outside. Don’t do that that type of competitions bad? Well, you could probably use it internally create your own competition. And if you compete with everybody in this friendzone when somebody comes at you from the outside zone of ego and attack, you just kind of treat it like a friendly exchange. They might be saying the worst thing in the world to you online and you read it as like a compliment. Because you’re so used to being friends with your competitors. Yeah.
CJ
What’s Where’s still may slow going. Where do you see it?
Leo
Yeah, still nice. Flu is changing the world of fitness, the consciousness of fitness. Strength training is not just arms and legs and moving weight. Strength training is the heart and soul and the spirit. Still mace flow connects all of those worlds. It’s truly the JIT, Khun doe, of fitness, we, it’s all in there. And we’re lucky we our tool kind of looks like a barbell it swings, kind of like a kettlebell like an Indian club, you move your spine like you’re swinging a rope, it’s all there. And where’s it going to go? For me, it’s the future of a fitness and not everybody’s future. Definitely not everybody’s future. If you look at the metrics, still, still, Mace is the smallest, smallest, smallest part of fitness. You look at mental health, it’s the smallest, smallest, smallest, smallest part of mental health. But motherfucker, I got two slices of pie. And those pies will grow and grow and grow until they can form their own table. My job here is to introduce people to flow in their lives to grow still may flow as a business. There’s not a level three. There’s a stalemate flow level one and level two. I am not entirely truthful. In jujitsu, you get your black belt. In Brazilian Jujitsu, you get your black belt, when you have done a great deed of service. When you have applied enough, there’s not a date. You know, it’s not like karate, where no disrespect you sign up on the in 99. You graduate in 2000 floor on October 13. That become to all your classes, you’ll be a black belt. Back in the days when you got your black belt, nobody knew how long it was going to take. It was the journey you committed yourself to. And you were happy it took you 13 years to get your black belt in karate. You were so happy. You met somebody who got their black belt in 10 years you were like you didn’t train hard enough man. took me five years to get my white belt. So yeah, the I have a level three Program Award, the black belt that I’m going to give to my students who have done great things with it. Who knows what those people will be, but it won’t cost anything. I’m done writing money making education programs and still Mays flow. I’ve created a foundation. I’ve created the language of stillness flow way to communicate intricate, intricate movement, how to coach it, how to teach somebody on their very first day. Still may flows lightspeed. It’s not it’s not dial up. It’s the fucking fastest Wi Fi in the world. When somebody comes to me and I’m at the park, and I’m doing the beautiful stuff, and they say, Leo, I want to do what you’re doing. There’s no way in hell I’m going to have them do ballistic curls and resonate tension. I’m going to teach them the exact fucking flow I’m doing because I’m the world’s best coach. Not that I’m better than you. I’m not competing with you, but my students deserve the best coach. So therefore I am the best and I can teach you anything you want to learn today. I don’t give a fuck what disability I don’t give a fuck what you see with your eyes closed. I don’t even use mine half For the time, I’ll teach you anything you want to today, I’ll give you that expression of fitness that light speed. You know, fuck the basics. I don’t want the basics anymore. I get it. The basics are important. But I want to get to that Lightspeed shit. If I can teach you the basics in the Lightspeed Should I’ve done my I’ve done a great job. The future of soulmates flow is led by its students. You know, I’ve done my work, and it’s at this point of mentoring. You know, most people, not most people, and yeah, now it’s, it’s about legacy, the, I’m so blessed. I’m so blessed to have found the thing that my brain identifies with at a genius level. I’m not a smart man, have you ever seen me type, like on Instagram, it’s good, it’s bad. But I found that thing that my body, my body loves, I found my purpose, I found the way to help out humanity. And so now what’s the next step? What do you do after you find your purpose? You create a legacy. And so the journey now is to steal that legacy. And when I leave this earth, I want people to go that guy was a Mozart of what he did, and how he did it. I wasn’t the first person to swing mace. That’s what I did with this, not when I started, it’s what I what I’ve done with it, the community, the people, the way that I’ve opened up the door for people to express themselves at whatever level, not my level, their level. And a scary scary thing for me. Big challenge for me is coming up for steel mace flow, the story of steel mace flow, the paperback hardback edition, I don’t know, I’m going to write a book on the story of stalemates flow. It is no secret, I do not have any kids. I have a wonderful French Bulldog. But still mace flow is my baby. It’s my baby. And the story needs to go on. Yes, the way that people remember it, and the and the way that it’s told by my coaches, and their lineage, but I would like people to know, the entirety of why I made my decisions. And it’s scary to go through some of the stories that I’ve moved through and let go of, because they know, if you’re my student, and you’re out there, and you wear short shorts, and he’s swinging mace, and you express yourself in the same way that I do, you’re going to have a lot of the same problems. And so if I can put that information out there, like a responsible leader, or coach, that’s the journey. So that’s it.
CJ
I appreciate you putting your your heart out there, man, I feel I feel you, you’re always in my head into my heart when I’m throwing the mace around, and really other pieces too. And that’s just a sign of an amazing coach. Somebody who can, who can have that voice that’s not there physically, but always in there kind of in this this ethar Or this collective and it really does come from doing the raps, putting in the work and doing the hard work right doing the the journaling, the expressive work the sharing and, and putting yourself out there. I think it’s what it’s what it’s really about. And so that other people can see that. We’re not all just doing dealing with stuff on our own. It’s other people dealing with stuff too. And I think that’s what I love most about the mace is that it’s gotten me to those tipping points of extreme laughter and joy and to like depressive anger. And as I mean, it’s beyond the anger and frustration, it’s to the point of like, I don’t even want to do this, I just want to set this thing down and hold on to the mace. And so it’s taken me two ends of the spectrum. And I know it has with every person that’s kind of gone some distance. And I know I haven’t gone the marathon distance, but kind of just beginning and I’m really excited and nervous for that journey. But I think that’s that’s life is to be in that vulnerable, vulnerable place and establish your place of power and establish your place of I feel safe. And I’m gonna allow myself to be vulnerable here. And it comes down to all the coaches that have come out of this program. And even though coaches that they’ve they’ve gone out and touch other people’s lives that they share that their practice and like you said, it doesn’t have to be the mace. It can be that moment that the mace taught you something or reminded you of something that let something out you’re like, oh, that’s why I’m doing this or that’s how I’m doing this. And I think that’s what inspires other people to go take action and to share with others to so I’m very appreciative. I’m super grateful. This certainly won’t be the last conversation we have. I’m excited to hopefully learn more before the before the Official steel mace flow book comes out give people little hints and and chapters out of that book so they can hear you out loud.
Leo
It’s my five year plan. Yeah. And then I am going to come visit you man. I know we talked about coming out there to teach some mace education so I can’t wait man. We have a float of
CJ
exciting stuff telling you. Yeah, how can people find you brother? How can people reach out to you?
Leo
Yeah, so you guys can find me at Leo savage SMF on Instagram, or steel Mace flow.com. And you know we do some traveling I’ll be in New Jersey in Miami in October. I had just got I guess I couldn’t let the cat out of the bag on it booked me for an education in January so I’m fucking congrats on that. They’re having me back. Even though I work for on it in my own unique way. I have a very unique job for with on it. I’m still tickled when they book me man. I am talking still tickled. It’s still it’s still but yeah, so I’ll be traveling in teach in which you know, I’m so blessed to be able to do I’m so thankful to be able to get back there and give out certifications and collect hugs.
CJ
man Yeah, nothing. Nothing like your your IG page is very inspiring, empowering and expressive. I think that’s the most important thing is you yourself out there. You smile. You cry. You laugh. You shed a little bit you invite others to talk shit as well. It’s it’s a it’s a very fun space to be. So I encourage everybody go follow you on there. Good. Go, man. We’ll chat soon. Definitely be on the lookout for when Leo Savage is coming to slow town in the near future. All right, brother. Thank you. So next time, y’all. Yeah, great to have you on. Peace out y’all enjoy and go flow on.
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