Sustainable Training is More Than Just a Cool Buzzword That Millennials Love
Michael Hughes
Welcome back, everybody to the Gymnazo podcast. I’m your host, Michael Hughes here with the incredible all inspiring movement expert, CJ Kobliska, and our director of programming and someone who I’m excited to talk about sustainable training with, because it’s something that we’ve based our entire practice on, in a way, but gone through this huge ebb and flow of one understanding what is sustainable training? Is there someone that can define it? Is there a meaning behind it besides just as a cool buzzword that millennials love? Or that trainers love to talk about? Because it makes them feel elitist in their style? Is there someone to blame? Is the coach a fault? Is that a client at fault when someone gets injured? And their training isn’t, quote unquote, sustainable? How do you program for sustainability? Is there something missing? Is there lack of education? Or is it just a new technology out there that we want to understand and dive into, that’s what we’re going to be doing doing a talking about providing our, our experience, but more our kind of understanding and insight of what it is and how you can help other clients maybe, or you can maybe help yourself to unpack and discover this cool phrase, and everything that goes with it. So get ready to deep dive into it. And I’m gonna have a lot of fun talking about it, CJ, I know you will. Even this pre showed and getting into all the different ways that this buzzword stand up training is coming up on and well, that further ado, let’s go for it. Welcome to the Gymnazo podcast where you get to peek behind the curtains of what it takes to create and run a seven figure fitness facility that ranks the top 5% of boutique fitness studios for revenue. But to be honest, that’s the least important thing about us. Founded by me, Michael Hughes, Gymnazo has created an ecosystem of services that blend performance with restoration techniques, and attracts top coaches to its facility hosted by its owners, Paden, and myself and our top coaches, this podcast shares our best practices on everything, from how to build a sustainable fitness business, to how to program for maximum results, to how to build a hybrid training module that’s online. And in person. We have marketing secrets, movement, innovation, and breaking down trends in the industry. If you’re a fitness professional, or a fitness business owner, this is where you learn how to sharpen your skills and to see maximum results. Let’s start with just the basics. Let’s define in the grand scheme of things sustainable training, I’m going to kick it off right to you
CJ
actually look at the definition of sustainability for this. And so what I typically do with words that I think I know and have a good grasp on, but also I’m always curious as to what they actually mean. And what wasn’t Google said was the ability to be maintained at a certain rate or level. And what Wikipedia said, was, it’s the capacity to endure in a relatively ongoing way across various domains of life.
Michael Hughes
Sounds pretty straightforward to me, just
CJ
keep on going. Like, right, so stage sustainability is about continuing on the path that you’re on. And finding balance along the way, they feel like they’re gonna get pulled one way or another. There may be, especially in training, there may be injuries that you may have times where you’ve stepped away from your training your your accountability for a bit, and then got back into it. And that seems to be the story in the training realm. As far as group training goes and, and kind of general population training is, you get going for a few months, and then you fall off, and you get going for a few months, and you fall off. And I think the story ends up turning into this feedback loop of every time I come back, I’m not as in shape, or I’m not feeling as confident in my movement as I once did when I was younger. So part of it has to do with maintaining your movement, availability as you age, and continuing to build skills. And I think you’ve got kind of a good mindset in terms of how to create an ecosystem around that sustainable training so that it provides an environment for somebody to step in and go, I can just participate. And I can look back and say look at all the years I’ve spent here, when any everywhere else, wherever the training I’ve done. I’ve stepped in for maybe six to eight weeks or a few months and had to come out of it.
Michael Hughes
There’s this crazy life cycle that all products have all services have. I like to look at it from not training and conditioning first. And I remember growing up, we had the recycling bins, the blue, yellow and green ones. And I was like recycling introduced to me as a little kid. And my dad said yeah, you throw the newspaper in the in the blue one or whatever it was yellow one. And they go and turn into it into news newspaper. I’m like, Oh, that’s pretty cool. Well with a glass bottle, he had a glass bottle. What about that thing? That’s not recyclable. Sorry. We just had that in the trash. And we’re we’re going to the landfill for the first time. That’s why they put them in far off remote places. because it’s crazy, it’s crazy, we just bury it, we just bury it. And I’m gonna talk about bearing emotions, and sustainable training, and all those things as to how it tied together the mental and the physical aspect of sustainability because it’s not just physical, right? Pretty simply stated. So that whole recycling thing kind of brought to this point, like when I was growing up training and conditioning, it was weightlifting, it was physique building, you know, bodybuilding, and it would hurt, it would hurt, you know, to get that sweet, awesome benchpress and just go for it and tear apart those muscle fibers that hurt bad. And I couldn’t do benchpress at the same level for several days afterwards. Okay, so I thought about that for a second. As I go, and deeper and deeper into my training, well, I’ll just do a different muscle group, that I hit the legs really hard, super hard, and had a hard time walking downstairs. I was like, gosh, this training revision is like actually owning my lifestyle. That just says my first kind of thought from the recycling bin to training and conditioning. And now to hear this tapping into what you said is like, how do I continue to do this? So my lifestyle quality, is, has a cycle has its recycle. And the cool thing about recycling is hopefully it gets better and better and better and refined and refined, refined. So it’s infinite. That never stops, obviously, until life stops for the human being. But, and that was really my first take on the Can we do this. Because the sport world, the professional sport world, really was my influence, work your hardest, make the play at all costs, get the trophy win. And that’s not sustainable.
CJ
No, that was also kind of ingrained in me too. I think in it, many young athletes see the same thing. You watch professional sports, you see somebody get hurt, and they come back out on the field. And the announcers are saying like, Oh, they’re hurt, but they’re still in this, they’re still going to make a play, or they’re still going, like they are the starting player. So they’re gonna play with an injury, they’re still gonna be better than the next next slot, right. And then you see how the season progresses, and they got reoccurring injuries. And like, for me, that was just how I thought it was like, you’re gonna get injured in sport, and that’s just part of this part of the training, you’re going to end up feeling a little bit uncomfortable, and then you may have to take some time off and like recover and then come back, and you’re never going to be really the same. It wasn’t sustainable, you know, you get so many injuries. And now you can only perform to a certain level like that is your threshold. For some athletes, you could be injured and still be at a very, very high level, but slowly breaking down your body, even more so. And for me, in football, I dealt with like some knee pains and back pains and just kind of worked through it and ended up having to like, kind of step away from as hard as I wanted to play because I was afraid of getting hurt. And I shifted my focus more into wrestling, and the same kind of things came up, you know, when I got hurt, I was like, No, I’m still good, I’m gonna keep keep training in practice, I’d have my right arm be fine, but my left arm would be at like 50% capacity. And I’d still be doing very well. But I wasn’t confident in my ability to do as well as I could be doing. And that kind of like ate me up a little bit in the sense of, like, this is just how it is. And there is no better, you know, people who don’t experience injuries and are very good at like, you’re the best. Like, how do you do that. And in my experience, it was just deal with the pains and you’ll get through it. And it wasn’t until I had a big shoulder injury, we’re actually wrestled a whole year with subluxed. And I was like not using my left arm at all to wrestle and I was doing decent, and then pick it up, drop them down. I’ve told this story before but slipped my arm out of place and laid on the mat and I was like, I’m literally cannot move. I’m in such excruciating pain that I had to then reflect on what is it that I’m doing like, this is not sustainable like that maybe that thought didn’t come up directly like that. But reflecting now it was like, this isn’t gonna last and remember the doctor telling me, you know, you’re not gonna wrestle again. And if you do, you’re gonna end up having pains. Still, you could do it. But you’re probably end up meeting other surgery later on down the road. And, and maybe you have to, like, reflect and consider. For the rest of my life like that incidents, I had to think about, well, how do I want to move it over? 50 6070 My dad’s got a shoulder injury, and he’s been affected by it. And am I going to be the same way, you know, I want to be able to throw a ball and to do pull ups and to just do something my upper body that I’m not worried about. And at that moment, I think it was a matter of switching gears and saying how can I train differently? How can I shift my my practice to focus on something that will allow me to last and I didn’t actually have that set in stone, but I started exploring and being curious about what I could do versus what I couldn’t do because of my injury and then just joining trying to go as hard as possible with those things.
Michael Hughes
That story brought up. Oh, A lot of memories in myself. To end where you started, let’s start with you ended. I didn’t understand your sandable training until probably a decade ago. My birthday is real soon, I’m gonna be 37. So 27 is probably when I first start to consider this aspect that you can take, you can do this and should be able to do this till the day you die. Different intensity loads as the body degrades in a sense, but the same the same motions like why can’t you do an Olympic lifts at 90? Why can’t you do a box jump at 90? Yeah, man, it’d be a 56 cents box jump, you know, but why can’t you do yard work in you know, move furniture and be the person at the airport pulling off that heavy suitcase.
CJ
You don’t just focus on extremes, just focus on skill focus on the actual ability to do something about how much right and
Michael Hughes
back goes back to high school. I remember being literally laying on my bedroom floor after a track practice. And I could not get up my lower back would not allow me to get up off the ground I laid there. And I remember I remember looking at the clock, I laid there for 45 minutes. And like it finally roll and get to my side. And I remember it was doing long, long jump. And I just landed in the sand and this felt a compression. But after the long jump practice had to go do sprint practice. So I ran and it just didn’t feel good. But you just do it. And then there was no inkling no understanding of like, you should stop until the coach because the coach repeats like oh, just go hang out. Like there was no really like process for me to kind of grasp on what to do about it. I remember the first time going to physical therapy, and football I did to my knowledge, my hip flexor just hurt bad. And I remember just go in there and get ultrasound and icing and swimming in the pool and riding the bike. That was until it got better. And I went back to practice and I still honestly 20 years later, I would have to adjust my hip. Not like her practically, but to kind of kick your leg up kind of whipped leg to get to readjust. And now Gosh, I’m just think about this now for the first time. I haven’t done that in a while to my memory. Like I can’t remember when the last time I stopped doing that. But I don’t have to do that anymore. But my training has dramatically trained changed in the last decade.
CJ
That’s that’s interesting man. Just wanting to go hard. And in especially in practice, too. If the coach does say, you know, just go sit up to the side, you’re like, Well, shit, I might as well just go do something. Because I don’t want to be this lame guy doing nothing. I’m on the team. Right? And so you do what you can to just keep going
Michael Hughes
on first team. Like I lost my first team. I was on second team for the rest of the season
CJ
to be deal. Ego hit. Oh, yeah.
Michael Hughes
So let’s go back to like, I think professional sports. It’s an amazing thing. Of course, right? It’s entertainment, A, but B itself is a source of income and for hundreds of 1000s of people. But it’s teaching us at least it taught me that there’s no pain, there’s no gain, like you are going to be I think it’s like Ronnie Lott maybe forgive me if I’m getting the name wrong. But like NFL Super Bowl, 40 Niners the dude like cut off his finger, part of his finger. Because I fact checking the guys on this one, but there is a story of an NFL player cutting off part of his finger because it hurts so bad and just went out and played like, Oh, what a badass. That’s gonna be me one day. No, like, like, I’m gonna have that kind of mindset. And I just, yeah, it’s just this, this whole play and then you look at, I’m done, just pick on NFL, but like the life afterwards. But when you’re training that hard and that intensely, it’s super sexy. I mean, you see these guys just working their asses off. But the body can’t do that. And I relate it to like you got some you got some amazing Sport tires on your car, you know, or some whatever induced to burn out after burnout after burnout. And they’re still new tires that say you’re young. Do you don’t really see that a difference in the tire. Because you’re young, you have a lot of tread left. If you get in your 30s 40s 50s you’re like okay, I’m starting to see some wires. And that to me that’s how I that that that thinking is how I view training and conditioning. So you don’t have to do so many burnouts man can only just punch the gas so many before those tires. Should be replaced. Yeah, hip, that could be a knee that could be shoulder neck could be a fusion of the other spine.
CJ
Yeah, I mean, when we come up to think about sport versus training, we need to understand like there’s people of different ways different intentions for doing something and because of what we see on TV, in professional sports, men and women, and then putting their their basically their livelihood on the line for this game for this sport. It’s inspiring and inspires us to want to do the same But there Why is very different than I think the general population is where it’s at, yeah, I would love to be able to do those things. So I’m gonna go train that way. But we don’t think about the things that we’re actually doing the sport of life, right. And I think it’s what’s missing in the training, and in the health and wellness through movement industry is that we need to help. First, the person in front of us understand what they’re doing, why they’re doing it, versus just saying, I’m doing this because I’m told it’s healthy, or I’m doing it because I want to look really, really good. It’s like, if we only sit at that surface level, we’re going to end up not sustaining our training, because we’re not getting to the depth of, of what we’re doing here and how we’re doing it, and why why it means something to us. And as humans, we’re all searching for meaning. And a lot of times we get that through physical training, we feel like I can feel my heart rate increasing, I can feel my breathing are increasing, I’m sweating, and the sweat equity, I’m gonna keep pushing, and we get so attached to a way of doing things that we think this is the one way, and a lot of times we end up following somebody else who’s found their way, right. But their journey is very different than your journey is very different than my journey is very different than your journey. And as coaches. And as trainers, we need to be able to critically think and understand when we go into programming. What Why are we programming this way for this person? Is it strictly for progressive overload and to build aesthetic, as long as long as you admit it, like go that route. But if somebody is in there, because they want to move better, ultimately, and they want to hang out with their kids, and they want to throw the ball around, and they want to go hike, and they want to go take advantage of the physical things in life? Well, when you’re in pain, you’re going to find any excuse to not go do those things. And it won’t seem to be because I’m gonna go hike by My knee hurts. So I’m not gonna go do it. You just find another excuse to not go to that hike. And you end up kind of pulling yourself into this, this zone of limitation, that I think it’s either sport or nothing, right? If I can’t do the thing, I’m just gonna stop doing the thing, right? I can’t go play tennis because I hurt my knee. It’s like, I blame the sport for it versus not diving deeper and going, What can I do? And what do I want to do with with my movement like movement is life legitimately. If you don’t move, you will
Michael Hughes
die, you will die, your dead body is constantly in vibrational frequencies and that vibrate coefficient lowers, we start to die. It’s that simple.
CJ
And sometimes we go zero to 100. Like we’re like I gotta do either I’m doing nothing, or I’m doing everything. And we think this middle ground is just not worthy, or not under this, we’re not honoring this time, this space, these little pieces that we do every single day, this accountability, this consistency of just getting a few reps in, or what you know, is referred to as like movement snacks, that build up over time next, to any kind of, you gotta go back, go, go get a bag of chips and have like a little bite. And then you’ll have some like, fruit roll up if you want, like you want, maybe want to have a little bite of almonds, like you’re gonna snack throughout the day. But imagine if you can treat your movement that way, instead of just sitting here and going like, Alright, I got it, I got six hours of work, eight hours of work, whatever. And then I gotta go work out really, really hard later. It’s like we’re training all day long. And you’ve said it before. We’re training 24/7. And some of that time asleep. Some of that time is work. And a lot of that time in between is just it’s the in between times, and those in between times are what, what is the building blocks of sustainability. If we do something in that time, and we’re just aware of it, we can reflect back a decade later and go. I still feel pretty good. I’m still moving. I still have availability, versus comparing ourselves to somebody else who’s a high level athlete working out four hours a day and getting paid for it.
Michael Hughes
Right and has a $2 million budget on their health and fitness. Lebron James.
CJ
Yeah, right. full advantage.
Michael Hughes
You know, some people don’t even make 20 US Dollars or 200 million. 2 million. Anyways, dude. Yeah. And, again, I love your little move movement, snacks, hands, because if we look at sustainability across other aspects of life, sustainability in a relationship, it’s not the date nights that make it when, right. It’s the conversation, making cleaning up dinner around the house, right? Those are the it’s not the big things that matter, but it certainly important, but that’s not make it you know, your job is to say your software, software engineer, it’s not it’s the it’s the daily coding. It’s not that like, oh, we finally made this new launch of the of this download, you know, like, yes, that’s the end goal. That’s the end goal, but sustainability is in everything, even in how our hair looks right we get sustainable haircuts, you know, we don’t go it’s I’m trying to like really kind of paint the picture that we do in so many other aspects of our lives. Why don’t we apply it towards our own physicality? The vehicle that we actually move in because we get it we all get it finances you know, to raising children to keeping your house in order to keeping your your your chainsaw working, right. All these we get it but why don’t we get it I think as a as an industry in movement And I again, I’m gonna go back to that. And I have to, I have to say this. And this may rubs some people the wrong way. But we are inspired by the most popular way of training still today. And it’s CrossFit. And they made a sport out of it. And good for them. Because it’s cool to watch.
CJ
It’s a it’s called vertical sport. Yeah.
Michael Hughes
But is that sustainable? And the answer is, the answer is no. Just like it isn’t for professional, anything else. And you look at those athletes who do that, and they know it, it’s very clear, they even say in interviews, I don’t just do this, and how much time I take for restoration how much time and they use these kind of restoration words and edited. But if you really follow them, and see in progress, their movement progressions and their injury progressions and houses that they’re not going to be winning year after year after year. And second, that’s very obvious. Okay, so wait a minute. And let’s back that out. And reverse engineer, what are they doing? That’s not sustainable. But what are they doing that is makes it progressively when year after year? And there’s your answer, I really think about it like, Okay, so let’s plug that into all the other aspects, whether it be a spin class with these Zumba class, and it’s taking time I like your your, your movement, snacks, and it’s making sure that the oil has changed in the engine. Well, what’s that mean to the human body,
CJ
in that sparked something in my mind, that’s, there’s a lot of training out there. That’s a specific method, a specific technique, and you got to do it this way. And anytime you take your body through one way of doing something, and you do it again, and again, and again, it’s sustainable in the sense that you are now teaching your body to deuce do this, these things. But then as soon as you want to do something, it’s a little bit different. It’s not with heavy load and faster, you just want to throw a ball and you need your whole body to go do it. And then you throw your shoulder out, but you’re strong as an ox, like you can lift some weights, some serious weight, you can you can endure it. But then you throw your body to some kind of whipping motion, or you put your arm at like a rotational position that you’ve been avoiding with lifts because it’s going to hurt you now you’ve hurt yourself doing it with two pounds, lifting your milk jug into the back of your car, like, Ah, it’s easy to write it off of your past and just like this is this is how it is now this is my life. But as coaches, we can kind of reflect back on it and say like, what method have you been doing? What technique have you been doing so consistently, that’s brought you to this point, because you’re going to fall into these attractor wells that your body now can subconsciously or unconsciously move to these patterns, and it becomes second nature to you. And as soon as you step out of that attractor, well, to do something very quickly, or you turn your head to back up in your car kinked my neck a little bit, these little things that are little pains, discomforts like those add up over time. And we don’t, we haven’t been taught how to reflect on those later on in life. And to say, like, how did I get to this point, it’s just, this is just how it is. What we get to see in this industry, and in this facility is multiple methods, multiple directions of movement, and very, or a lack of limitations on how to do something, it’s much more explorative, playful, curious, kind of building this, this experience to become more human, which is just to play with stuff, it’s to like, it’s to discover and learn about ourselves through through play, and through socializing. And, you know, it’s not for everybody, because nobody’s cares about sustainable training. Some people just care about lifting faster and heavier. And some just want to explore movement skills, acquisitions, and doing crazy flips and stuff, more power to you. But that’s not for everybody. And I think general population really needs to needs to see where they’re going to train. Is this like, there’s one way to do things? And is the, the conversation that’s had like, don’t do it this way? Or is it much more open and saying, I want to see how you do it. And it’s a it’s a funky conversation, because we’ve been told like, you’re especially as like a physical therapist, you got to go a certain route, you got to do a certain protocol, you got to go a certain way. And then if you go step outside that protocol, and somebody ends up getting hurt, or somebody ends up doing something that you didn’t want them to do, cuz they weren’t ready for it, that comes back on you. But we need to take responsibility, self responsibility for our actions and say, like, whatever you tell me to do, I can tell you know, and I can ask you questions, or I could just do it. And if I do it, and I get hurt, whose fault is it? Is it yours? Or is it my fault? It’s our fault. You didn’t set me up for success. Maybe I got a little ballsy and wanted to kind of push a little bit harder. But then we we need to shift this conversation of like you did this to me or I did this to myself and go like, how can we learn from this? How can we continue to learn about ourselves to move in better ways. And what it will do even better, is just have more access to our sphere. So that we’re very aware of the space we take up versus the space we don’t take up like we’re kind of just like locked in here in our body. You know, what’s in front of us and what’s inside of us. But if we as soon as we start to explore, it’s above us, what’s beneath us what’s around us, we start to become more confident in our abilities. And now we want to explore more, because we’re starting to get gain more access into our experience. And I think that’s that’s really where we need to kind of shift this, this understanding of sustainable training is that it is about being curious. It’s not about not getting hurt. It’s not about avoiding injury. It’s not about he should, she said, and this is how we’re supposed to do these things. It’s just consider all these pieces and know that life happens. And if you choose to play a sport, you will get hurt. If you’re going to play it hard, or I’m gonna play it fast, I’m gonna play with the best people, your chances of getting her are pretty high. It’s like, if you’re, you’re going to be a soldier, and you’re gonna go out to war, the chances are pretty high of you getting injured or something happening to you, maybe even losing a life. But you step into that knowing I think people going into sport, just assume that that’s the way that I need to train because it’s how everybody else has done it. But if we start to consider life as a sport, we start to realize like, yeah, there’s dangers, but there’s also things that can expand our experience and expand what what we’re able to do.
Michael Hughes
Man, there’s a lot in there. We
CJ
love it, play that one back.
Michael Hughes
So on a hit on a few points, A, there is no such thing as injury free. Right? I wouldn’t want to have that. Injury is not about if it happens, it’s about when it happens. And I even say that to members coming to our facility in Gymnazo, you will get a dean, you will get a little bit of something just bugging you in our workouts from our programming. And here’s why your body is not perfectly balanced. And our programming is not perfect. Because we are not perfect. But here’s the issue. It’s not about if it’s about when it’s about what you do about it when it happens, and doing nothing about it is a sure fire away, that you will not come back to this facility, and we will underperform and undervalue you in every way possible. And you’re gonna go to the next facility, and the same thing is going to happen. I’m very straightforward with it. I don’t say it like that. But you know, very like cut and dry. It’s about you communicating to us and us communicating with you. And even in my movement assessment. I actually say this every single time it hope it’s not getting old. But it’s like my name is now Sherlock. And your name is now Watson. And I need you. Because I’m going to look at movement and collected data. But I can’t feel what you feel, I can see what you can’t feel. Because your body’s has been accustomed to. It’s that attractor? Well, that subconscious movement pattern that you think is you think is normal, but it’s not it’s just common. And common is not normal. You know, common is common, but normal is actually balanced. Right. That’s, that’s the sustainability side of it. So I said, I need you to tell me what feels lack of confidence, I need you to tell me what actually bugs you. And don’t try to perform your best, perform what you are. And that’s really like set down the ego. And let’s just collect the data on how your movement is today. Because it’s going to change tomorrow. And if we can see little discrepancies and how you’re hitting translates left to right, or how much dorsiflexion getting that ankle, or the confidence level that you feel in that thoracic spine when you spin left, or spin, right. And we’re gonna start to unpack and start to build from day one, a sustainable partnership, because I’m going to give you drills to kind of expand your knowledge, expand your range of motion. And as you go into this workout, you’re going to meet with goose, you’re going to meet with TJ and it’s not going to be me. But you gotta tell them the same thing. And I love that, like it’s creating that ecosystem. As I
CJ
say you have a you have a tremendous ability to collect truths, like you’re one of your strengths as input. And it’s like collecting that those little data points that you’re not judging, you’re, you may be recognizing your judgments, but instead of like having to do something about it right now, it’s like, I want a bigger picture of what’s going on with you. With the forces of nature. Behaviorally, what are you experiencing? Is it painful, because pain is different for everybody. And also your lack of your not lack of confidence, but maybe you’re doing some kind of movement that you’ve never done before, and you’re there to help guide them and say like, it’s gonna be okay, versus like, you take one or two steps and you think those two reps. Now that was it, you’re not going to be able to do it. It’s like, those are your first two reps of taking the same side rotation lunge. Listen, it’s weird. You’re gonna you’re gonna learn how to use that space. But I think what’s so powerful in an MDMCer and seeing you collect those truths, and then me kind of shifting how I perceive those truths to and how I reciprocate. What I see to the individual that’s in front of me that I’m training is that we can’t solve everything right now. And so that ecosystem helps to set somebody up for success because we know things are going to happen. We don’t know when we don’t know how. But at least we can observe how you’re moving right now. So that when stuff does come up, you go a little bit harder or a little bit heavier. And maybe you don’t injure yourself. But now you’re experiencing Dom’s for the first time and you’re three days later and you’re like why can’t I lift my arms and you just did pull up for the first time in six years and they don’t they’re they’re unable to reflect on like, oh, yeah, I did pull ups because it happened a couple days ago, you’re now happened on Monday, it’s now Thursday and your arm still don’t lift, it’s getting worse. You’re like, Oh, my God, my life is ending, my arms are broken, I need to stop doing this. Now. We’re there as coaches to kind of help understand this process. And these novel experiences, things that you’re going through. Because we’ve collected so much of these truths from other people’s experiences, we’re able to help foster a relationship that is sustainable it is, it’s opening a conversation saying, let me know when you are feeling something that you don’t know what it means. We don’t really we probably don’t know what it means either. But we’re gonna be there to say, let’s watch out, let’s observe how this plays out. And how do you kind of approach that whole ecosystem and you’ve got somebody who’s maybe new to three dimensional movement in terms of like doing intentional transverse plane frontal plane loading, and twisting and swinging, when they’ve heard in the past that swinging and twisting is bad or whatever? How do you approach say, a newbie coming in? That’s probably a movement, illiterate movement, lacking some movement awareness. And this, like, what could potentially comes up and those movement assessments or in their first few months of training, that you helped to dictate mentioned, say, dictate, I think, to guide the experience? Yeah,
Michael Hughes
I like that. I think, for any, any person who works as a movement professional in any capacity, you know, I think the one thing that we’re all shooting for, is to educate, you know, just people just don’t know enough. And I like to say, you know, you need to know, just as about as much information that you know, on how to drive a car, and in the laws of the road, if you can have that much knowledge about a vehicle and the laws of the road, you have that so much about the physical human body and training, you’re gonna be just awesome, you’re gonna be good enough, because that’s what the body needs, the body does not need perfection, it needs good enough. And I’ve said that to a lot of people like, what? What I was like, Yeah, trust me, the body can operate amazingly on, like, 50% to 50% capacity, if you only use 10% of our brain, and we’re this good. I mean, we don’t need a whole lot to rock and roll. So it’s the educational piece. And it’s really taking people into this to the story, this understanding that they’re like said, there is problems that will come up, and it’s okay. It’s how we communicate about it. But it’s really taking that first step. Like when I take somebody brand new is like, you know, I love our movement assessment for that, because it takes them into new territory. And then like, why am I doing this motion? It’s like, trust me, man, I’m looking at all the joint stack together, the body balanced. You know, it’s really, there’s a awesome why behind it. But it’s, it’s, it’s the educational piece, and to tell them, that the body describes show model that the body is designed to do these motion patterns, like the back is designed to twist the lower back, the knee is designed to twist. I’m going to say all these things, if people are gonna freak out, I’m cringing. You know, it’s designed to do that. And I’m saying it in a very plain and simple way. Because I’m not telling you what type of rotation, I’m just saying rotation or how much exactly. And if you restrict, and I say like, if you’re, if it’s that person that comes in restricted, and doesn’t have the, the capacity to use that motion pattern, it’s just going to go somewhere else, the body will do what you want it to do, how you need it to be done without thought, without conscious thought. So how do we train it to do it subconsciously, it takes practice. And that’s what I love about this hole that I was drilled into me in football, like you will play how you practice. So practice well. And it wasn’t this whole practice makes perfect as practice makes permanent. So what are you permanently doing in your body? And then also to go back with any sort of newbie and I always have to ask this question. We don’t call them newbies, by, by the way people, but just just there the conversation is I want to know what their past injuries were. Because that sets the stage. And I’m going to bring it back to a little bit more mental here, right? We all have emotional baggage. I’m sorry, our parents, we’re not perfect. And we’re not going to be perfect parents, but we got it and that we’re just doing the best that we can I bring emotional baggage to my marriage. And my wife has to deal with it. Is it her fault? That I get pissed and triggered when she says something wrong? Now, it’s my fault. I need to change. I’m not going to change her. I can change myself though. Training conditioning is no different. I want to know what baggage you’re bringing into our relationship. I’m saying the fun in a fun, fun way. Because that ankle that you sprained 17 times throughout high school, volleyball is not a good ankle. You may walk just fine. But the injuries have memories. And you’re bringing those memories in with you. And the way that you’re going to do that lunge step to jump pivot awesome move is the same way you’re going to do it here that you did in high school. You don’t know that though. I don’t know that either. So let’s unpack it and let’s discover it So I really want to say like the even though the pain is gone, the dysfunction is still there to anyone who that got a serious nasty injury. Like my lower back issue, I still live with it today. And I’m now conscious enough to work with it and constantly be snacking on it. I think that’s the, you know, snacking on it snacking on it. So it’s really having the education, understanding their past, the past is bringing is still with them. That the interest they walked in through the door with, I hope, we can continue to understand the work through so they don’t walk out with them. Because we can do that we can reverse like the fountain of youth, we found it. It’s called physical training. It’s really cool. Hence the podcast. So that’s the next piece. And then the last piece is move. That’s the next piece. I need you to get out there. I need you to start getting your body to start progressing through these patterns that are literally unlimited. So I love about what what what we do is like, yeah, people really didn’t really complain. Other trainers, like you guys do a lot of programming, like how do you sustain that. So there’s a lot of motions we have to get better at. So if we don’t if we have 50, all boy, you know, we can get good, those 50. But we really have 500,000
CJ
men, you brought up with some cool things. I’m thinking just different age ranges and different walks of life. What sustainable sustainable training looks like, you know, somebody who comes in who’s 5560 years old, and they come in with those past physical traumas, emotional traumas, whatever it is, it’s going to show up in your movement. Like we were not a physical being separate from an emotional being separate from a soulful being like those, those are all brought them together. Yeah, like seeing somebody who hasn’t done a box jump and maybe 15 years, and to put a six inch box out in front of them and say, Okay, step up on it, they can step up like a stair. As soon as you ask them to jump. Many times, it’s like, they go to jump, and there is no jump. It’s like, whoa, what are you doing to me, it’s like, jump up there, or do the best you can. And it’s kind like a leap. It’s once a literally a leap of faith of like, I hope I can get up there. And then what it brings up is a conversation of like, so you know, sometimes it’s like, oh, so why couldn’t I jump, like maybe they could not leave from two feet and land on two feet is like one to one, or maybe just a step up. And when it comes down to is there’s probably something that’s happened in your past physically, that’s stopped your body from taking flight, you’ve stopped running, maybe you’re running and you’re old and ankle and like, every time I try to run now it hurts. So your body’s afraid to leave the ground, you got to be connected. And so it can bring up these emotional states. So these intense physical experiences, because you haven’t faced this in years. And it’s our job to say, Well, is this something that they need to be able to do? Yes, we should be able to jump. But whatever the case is squat a lunge, finding depth and enhancing the capacity of what’s your what’s available, but there’s something it’s not available. You can’t take flight. What happens now in real life, when you have to be able to react and like run out of the way are you going to run out of the way and then like be in excruciating pain is the adrenaline going to take over and you’ll be fine. We don’t know those things. But it’s just like if you you know, if you have a broken seatbelt in your car, and you never wear your seatbelt, and you never get an accident, you’re never going to know the power of that seatbelt, the power of being able to do something or to have access. Now you do wear the seatbelt you do get an accident, you do get hurt, that seatbelts save your life, you still got hurt. It’s like there’s a there’s a spectrum of of progress. I said, you maybe you can’t jump on the box, but you can leap on it. And we can continue to progress progress into better and better leaps, maybe not in height and progressive overload. But just in your confidence and your ability to do that if you needed to. It’s not all about that. But that’s like maybe somebody who hasn’t trained in a long time. And then they go to try to do something like I can’t do this because of something that happened years and years ago. Now what about the somebody who’s in great shape, they’ve never been injured, ever broken a bone never experienced any kind of big physical trauma. And now they’re 2825 years old. And now they’re like I am so in my peak right now. And I just want to keep performing. And so their sustainability think is just growth, growth, growth, growth. But then they hit that point where they get injured, or they pull a muscle, what now is the next step in their journey? Are they just going to rest and then come back thinking they’re just as good as they were? Because that’s what happened. Most tenants what happened to me was like, Oh, I got hurt, take six weeks off, get back and you’re like, Oh, damn, my performance has gone down a lot. And now things hurt and I’m avoiding them. What people tend to do is then stop doing those things. And so they’re not in pain anymore. But then something is asked of them in life to do those things and the pain comes up and we we have a moment to reflect here and say as especially as coaches we can recognize these moments and say that seems like it was a traumatic event and not saying it like that but just recognizing it as this is a moment that we can retrain our body to do to have availability in And I think we just need to able to consider those things and have that open conversation of what are you able to do? What are you unable to do currently? And what do you what do you wish you could do? If you didn’t have any limitations? What would you do? That’s one of the questions we ask. Those are great. Three questions. If you were in any pain right now, what would you do? And a lot of times, it’s, I would go on a hike, I’d go on a run, I go play rec, soccer dance i Yeah, it’s like, I go swimming, I go surfing. It’s like playing in life. We’re not. Very rarely do I have someone say like, I would like to be able to, if I was at a pain, I won’t be able to squat 225 pounds. It’s usually some kind of action in life, some kind of activity that brings joy. And without the ability to do those things. We now have this mental real estate that’s taken up by this fear, and that can eat us alive and cause more dysfunction down the road and even push us to do things that are more extreme that will hurt us even further. Because that’s what we know.
Michael Hughes
Yeah. Fear pain is a real thing. Gosh, it’s a real thing. I’ve seen hardcore athletes. Yeah, as they would call themselves and I would see themselves when I want to do a double jump right to foot, take off the two foot land on a six inch Bosh and they look at me like, okay, because there the memory of the memory, the emotional connection, physical, the mental is still there. It’s, it is crazy. I mean, I actually have tingles right now. Like to break through that. And it’s not forceful break, right? I mean, not use that word. It’s opportunity. Yeah, exactly. It’s opportunity. Because it’s not what they can’t do. It’s what they can do. Start with success. Right, that the adage the United been drilled in with is you start with success, always, always. Because once you’ve reached that first mental roadblock, you may not come
CJ
back. It’s very tough to learn nothing about that, then you couldn’t do
Michael Hughes
right, they may exit your program because of that mental roadblock.
CJ
And that’s in group training, too. It’s it’s tough, because you may have a big group that 60% are very capable of certain things and another 40%, you know, you got to make a modification. Who do you coach to those 40%? Who can’t quite do some of these things that you have in your program that then other 60% are like, Oh, this wasn’t too bad? Isn’t too tough? Where do you coach those 60%? And then have those 40% Feel unsuccessful? How do you coach to all of them? And that’s what’s most important is let’s dive into the Soul Train
Michael Hughes
of Mr. Trainer, trainer and programmer pro programmers. How do you do stainable training and group training?
CJ
It’s good. Yeah, that’s good. It’s good, broad question. Give
Michael Hughes
it 510 minutes, you know, it really, you know, like, how do you how do we actually do it?
CJ
What you got to consider who, who is the demographic that you’re serving? Because some people maybe, maybe you’ve got a group of 10 to 15 year olds, your kids, maybe it’s PE for my programming, we’ve got a demographic that goes from youth athletes all the way up to 70, something years old, 80 years old it is. And that’s a big spectrum to consider what is what is what are we capable of. And I think it’s simple things like we have to locomote, we got to be able to travel from A to B. So what are the simple breakdowns of locomotion? It’s like a lunge or a squat or getting just from one place to another. And so you have for that demographic, right? Yeah. And you’ve got, then you can change it to running and more impact. But there’s also the spectrum of lower impact levels and still being successful to walk, we got people who are walking with a cane, and they’re afraid to go for a walk for more than five or 10 minutes, because it’s painful. So how can I set them up for success in positions that are just like walking without the impact of walking, because walking is still impact. And if you’re walking in efficiently, then you’ve been walking the same way for years. And it’s continuing to take you a path towards the path of degeneration and dysfunction versus regeneration and exploration of like, what can I do now with this? So as a kid, you just keep exploring, but as soon as you hit that injury, it may stop your exploration. So I want to provide a position and maybe an intention and an exercise that somebody might question like, I don’t know, if I can do that. And then set them up for success with that by having them do it, try it out. And I’m going to find out where that threshold is, if they can stand it, they’re going to be successful. If they can’t stand, I’m going to find something they can sit on. And they’re going to be successful. Right. So
Michael Hughes
So taking a demographic focus, and then applying movement patterns of daily life and putting them into a into a perspective that that demographic can fit
CJ
that they can relate to and resonate with, like, I’m not gonna make him do a bunch of power cleans, because that’s not they’re not doing that, therefore, right. Maybe people want to come and do power cleans, I’m going to make sure that those power cleans, carry over to somebody to do in real life. I don’t want them to get better at power cleans to get better at power cleans unless they will just want to be better power athletes. Sometimes it’s just like an ego thing like Hell yeah, let’s load it up. But specifically for movement availability I want I want to put them in a position like standing strides stance, put them in positions with their feet that maybe they haven’t, they haven’t even questioned before. So that they are experiencing something novel that ignites that curiosity and them of like, why am I doing this? And why does it not hurt me, I was told that exercise where I’ve experienced exercise that just hurts me, I’m going to put them in a position that just gets them moving. And they’re like, Oh, this isn’t too bad. I’m gonna say, alright, speed it up. And then we’re like, breathing hard. And that’s, that’s the joy of programming is putting somebody in a position or in a movement pattern, or in some kind of exercise that they haven’t experienced before. And I want them to see themselves grow in that exercise. Maybe the first time they did it, they felt kind of awkward doing it, but it didn’t hurt if successful. Maybe they did it and it did hurt. And we modified it a little bit. And that one didn’t hurt and like, Wait, there’s ways to modify exercises, in such a way that I can still be successful, still get a workout still get the benefit, but doesn’t make me feel worse afterwards. In fact, I feel what people talk about an exercise, which is these happy hormones, and the runner’s high. And I just felt good. And I had a smile on my face. Like, that’s what I live for, as a programmer. It’s just setting somebody up for those novel curious curiosity experiences of like, so what else? Like that’s, we kind of referred to as the Kool Aid, like, alright, I did some weird stuff. It was a really easy workout. And two days later, I like experienced soreness and muscles I’ve never felt before in my life. I’m like, yes, just continue.
Michael Hughes
So I want to just interrupt you real quick. So you’re, I’m trying to take your genius, what you just said there and see what she’s just talking about. Forgiving you correct me is what’s called group level one. Essentially, that’s RG one level. And we’re talking about it. Again, I’m going to say this, again, I’ve said it three times already a demographic of people, it’s not a one size fits all program. So how are you going to change sustainability for group training program, you have to divide out your population.
CJ
Yeah, count for the people that you can serve, right, and just scale your program. And so it’s not gonna make it easier necessarily. Because that has its own connotation to it. Because it’s, it may be easier for the that level two that’s a little bit more advanced and can do impact work. And now they’re doing like quick steps. Like, that wasn’t too bad. But for somebody who hasn’t done a lot of walking, or swinging or moving their body in three dimensions, I want them to experience that in a safe environment that don’t say, Hey, watch out, Hey, don’t do this, Hey, don’t do that. I’m gonna say do this, do this, do this, try this out, let me know if it’s uncomfortable so that you don’t just leave here going, oh, that didn’t that sucked, like I’m here to help guide. And we have coaches who are here to help guide. But you have to use us as a resource, we are a tool for you. If we are serving you, you’re serving us, we’re learning you’re from your movement. So we can serve more people the same time, I’m going to provide you with some tweak ology or modification that will show you that you are 100% capable of doing something that you may not have thought you were capable of.
Michael Hughes
And, gosh, simply put, right, the way that we programmed for small groups, like, you know, we make it simple, we even use simple terms. It’s called strength day. And it’s called cardio day, when we really have gone back and forth on that a little bit, because it’s truly not that, you know, it’s, we sneak in stuff that but the human, the human athlete, the daily athlete that we serve, they think things is strength, or cardio for or
CJ
stretch that muscles, or my heart and lungs, right? Well, all of them at the same time.
Michael Hughes
So in our group training is for especially for for trainers that I hope you can glean some details on like, in our strength days, there are cardiovascular moves. In our strength days, there are mobility moves, that really are not that string theory. But you put it into a complicated multi plane pattern. And you don’t need much weight at all, at all, at all.
CJ
To pound dumbbell and rotational overhead press to the side, you feel your entire body work,
Michael Hughes
right. So it’s really crazy. So it’s really kind of taking this the way I the way I look at it and let your two cents on it is there’s movement. Right? Just straight up movement, you know that just literally walking, squatting, putting on your on your shoes, then beyond that, there’s strength in that capacity, then there’s power in that further capacity, and then there’s endurance in that capacity. And then it all just ties to the sustainable cycle that it goes through. So I just said five different levels, you have to be able to move. How strong are you in that movement? Can you add speed to that movement? Can you reduce speed, but add longevity to that movement? And then can you cycle through that for eternity? Yeah, and that’s how we program. That’s how we program. Again, we don’t go in that necessarily thought process every single time but we understand that those are the components, like the raw ingredients cost even bigger than that even macro than that. And if you don’t kind of have that framework and built into your program for group training, then You’re going to be under serve others and over serve others. And you’ll just want to have as successful as a program as you think you will. I’m not ruffling feathers, I’m gonna ruffle feathers with Alan, I’m sorry. But you know, it’s really, man, you can’t serve everybody. Well, you know, in one workout.
CJ
Yeah. If you think about how many ways can you an answer your lunch, I will give you a 24 hour presentation on injured lunges. And they will keep going like, it’s going to get exhausting. So bring some beer, bring some food. Yeah, a couple memories. Go into your lunch. Yeah, just an anterior lunch called forward lunge. Everybody
Michael Hughes
just wanted to throw that out for lunch.
CJ
Because that’s just one of a million things and more that you can do. And, like you said, you can do to ensure lunging could do it for strength. You could do an entire lunge you could do for power. You could do an intro engineer for speed. You could do it for endurance, you could do it for agility. But now you can do with any piece of equipment. And don’t be limited by your equipment. How many ways can you hold that piece of equipment, it’s going to dictate a whole nother experience internally, like if you always do an anterior lunge with a dumbbells on your sides. So for lunch, and you’re doing walking lunges, farmers carry what happens now and just lunge forward and turn your toe a little bit inward. Oh my god, you’re gonna get hurt. Don’t do that. Don’t turn your toe out, it’s gonna hurt you. Why will it hurt you because you’re unaware of how your body’s gonna respond when it hits the ground. And if we can set people up for that experience, not tell them all the different ways you can do it. But just start to gift new ways or opportunities to do that lunge. Maybe your Ford lunges always hurts you. But it’s not the Ford London’s hurting you, it’s how you’re doing that forward lunge, it’s hurting you. Where is your mind? Maybe there’s something in your past that came up from doing a Ford run. And like I don’t like going forward anymore, it hurts my knee, there’s so much that comes up. And just when somebody says I can’t do that, don’t make them do it. Find other ways to put them in that exact same position and take away momentum, take away the speed, take away the load. Give them a supportive surface. Like there’s endless ways. And if you can recognize as a coach, you are doing sustainable training, because you’re not just adding variety for the sake of variety. You’re bringing variety and opportunity in there for somebody to explore what they can, what they had no idea about before. And it’s what really what sustainability I think is is igniting that curiosity and that fire and recognizing when something goes wrong or something unexpected happens to not react, but to respond to that, learn from it. grow from it. So the next time you come back after you’ve healed if it wasn’t discomfort, what’s different?
Michael Hughes
And I have to I have to say something because the passion of why we’re speaking this way all comes from an educational source of a methodology of methodologies. I like to say that, you know, we are specialist of specialties. We don’t follow a dogma. Gosh, I’ve been close. So you wouldn’t last year,
CJ
they were just blind to it. Now, we’re blind don’t tell us.
Michael Hughes
But if you want to connect with what we’re talking about, you know, I have to say this because we’re about giving you we have a course it’s called multi dimensional movement coach. It’s a program it’s a mentorship, actually, it’s not just a course it’s a mentorship. If you want to understand how to do a 24 hour presentation on anterior lunge take, just take the course. Because we want you to know it. Because we want to be able to do that not because you want to do the presentation. But because I want you to be able to think and know how to think not just what to think, how to think how to take everything that he said brilliantly in a sense, and just say I have that I have access to that capacity. So I can selflessly be the best trainer that any coach in any athlete that comes to me would want because that’s what we’re here for. It says it’s this, this whole aspect like we want to be able to continue to train a condition our coaches has been our athletes, our clients forever. Why because it’s good business. Flat out it’s good business. And what’s good business to your business is also good to your clientele. So I love this industry. I love it. If you’re successful then you’re taking care of people. It’s like the biggest self selfishness in the whole thing and the biggest selflessness and I’m stealing that right from Gary Gary Gray thank you but it’s really that huge aspect of the more you know the more you gonna kick some ass and not in the not in that like let’s go crush and go to war it’s like let’s just keep going and let’s make it fun little bits and mountain peaks along the way. But there’s another valley because guess what, you’re human. And you I had to say that because it’s I don’t want people to just look this like wow these guys may know something different than what I know. I want you to know a lot of different things. And I have to plug this I have to plug this in. I don’t think I’ve ever done this on this podcast for plug another podcast but the knees over toes guy. I don’t know who he is, but I would love to meet him and be on a podcast with him. cases but he said something about Reese Searching he said that there is more financial dollars going into kinesthetic research on acceleration training. He gave me the number I want to reference it but hundreds of million dollars and how to how to research the human’s body capacity to accelerate. And there’s like a quarter of that amount. research dollars grants going into how to decelerate motion. Wow. There’s a podcast he’s he says an on I listened to it, I want to have the numbers because I want to be as you know, as truth telling as possible here. But it’s true, right? And that goes back to like, I want you to understand that, like, we are so focused on the horsepower of our engine, we can give a rat’s ass about our brakes. And that’s not good racecar driving. And so it was, I want you guys to get trying to see these simple little pieces to kind of make it make it you know, what does sustainable training mean? What makes a difference? Why am I why would my clients care all my business care? How do I really expand my capacity as a movement specialist. And there’s all these different kinds of ways to think about it. But if you really want to know, check out the multi dimensional movement coaching program, it’s a mentorship, we dive into six months in so you get access to CJ get access to me as to my entire team, quite frankly. And if you want to kind of progress, the knowledge of what you’re doing, it’s there for you. And we’re here for you. And it’s a big deal. And hence why we’re so passionate about this whole process. There’s a we can keep on going. I always like to set up our podcasts on the anterior. That’s a good idea. The whole world will watch and we can do like a relay, you know, tag team. Yeah, little job tag team, keep the conversation going. One person hops in gets gets split up.
CJ
We get a whole ring going like WWE style.
Michael Hughes
Okay, if you’re listening, and you want that to happen, put a comment on this sucker. Wow. Okay. Any any other thoughts? Any or any other kind of closing? Like, you know, we’ve chatted about this long, you know, everything’s, you know, I have to say this has been said, definitely
CJ
define sustainability earlier to what Google said and what Wikipedia said. What it really comes down to and I mentioned, like the human experience is that, like sustainability is out. That is realizing that our own health is intertwined with the health of this planet. And if that much money, like for example, is going into acceleration training, that is shifting us towards just like push, push, push more and more and more and more first, like being able to decelerate and knowing how these two play together, and how we train our bodies is going to influence how the rest of the world interacts with us and how we interact with the world. And if we’re able to recognize our own individual way of sustaining our movement and our mindset, and our ability to experience this life in its entirety, not just set limitations and walls up for ourselves, but break those down, pull the veil back and just be with our experience, and know that there’s nothing good or bad, right? If I get injured, it’s not a bad thing, it’s an opportunity to learn. If we can treat every opportunity like that as an opportunity to learn, we will be going towards a more sustainable route as humans, but we have to do that on an individual basis and the people that we we serve and work with, we can’t just assume that we know what sustainability is because we live in right now. And later on in life, we’ll be able to reflect back like was that sustainable? Well, we’re gonna find out. So talk about it, share it, express it, like what does sustainability mean to you right now? What does that look like in your, in your life? Reflect on that? Or are you doing those things so that when you are older, you’re able to sustain a certain level of function. If you’re not working towards that, and you’re doing things in your life and having habits and routines that are pulling you into a dysfunctional, degenerative state, that’s not sustainable. You’re sustaining your dysfunction. You’re sustaining the your death, your downfall, right? We’re all going through the similar point, which is death. But how are we sustaining our experience in our in our vitality, in this experience, I think just be curious. Be okay with playing and doing weird stuff. Support each other.
Michael Hughes
So yeah again, CJ, thank you very much. I’m Michael Hughes Gymnazo podcast, I have a client go train. So this is a good end. I love it. And hope you guys enjoyed the conversation. We’ll be back for more and more. We’re out peace. Hey all. I hope you guys enjoyed today’s episode. And if you did, please share it with your fitness obsessed friends and peers who are also navigating this world of fitness and trying to succeed the trends and misinformation. As you guys can see this podcast is basically a masterclass for trainers wanting to level up in their coaching skills and their fitness business model. We launched this in 2020 because you and your fitness tribe deserve to see an unfiltered Look at all the aspects of what it takes to stand out as a next generation coach, and build a successful fitness business. So, share it far and wide. And please, when you do, do me a favor, take a screenshot of this screen and share it to your social media accounts and use the hashtag Gymnazo podcast, that’s hashtag Gymnazo podcast that way we can see you and share your posts with our audience. And finally, when you’re ready to go to the next level as a coach, or in your business, and to reach more people, please go check out gymnazoedu.com. We have put together the best 90 Day coaching program on the market for trainers wanting to become a masterful practitioner, and build a business that gives them the freedom and impact. So let us help you do just that. We have online training and one on one coaching to guide you through a full 90 Day certification. We even get you training our clients live because it’s always better to work out your kinks on someone else’s clients than yours. But we promise you this, your clients will be blown away by the transformation our program will help you make you’ll be masterful at a whole new level and part of an incredible community of coaches worldwide, taking their skills to the next level. So if you thought today’s episode had some fire to it, and inspires you to take action, wait until we see what we deliver on this program. So just go to gymnazoedu.com. And we’ll see you on the other side. Remember that turning your passion for fitness into transformation and sustainable business is critical to reaching the people and lives you were put on earth to help it matters and truly can make an impact in other people’s lives. So hope you do that. Keep sharing your passion and we’ll talk to you soon.
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