The Biggest Myths Around Weight Training, Weight Loss, BMI & More

Posted on December 8, 2022

Kaleena
Hey guys, welcome to the Gymnazo podcast, I’m Kaleena Ruskin. I’ll be co hosting with Michael Hughes today, talking about some myths about weightlifting, weight loss, and kind of bulking up, we’ll touch a little bit on BMI and all the good stuff that really goes into training the kind of the misconceptions that people have with training and how we can address those as trainers, and help our clients better understand the process of fitness.

Michael Hughes
Welcome to the Gymnazo podcast where you get to peek behind the curtains of what it takes to create and run a seven figure fitness facility that ranks in the top 5% of boutique fitness studios for revenue. But to be honest, that’s the least important thing about us. Founded by me, Michael Hughes, Gymnazo has created an ecosystem of services that blend performance with restoration techniques, and attracts top coaches to its facility hosted by its owners, Paden, and myself and our top coaches, this podcast shares our best practices on everything, from how to build a sustainable fitness business, to how to program for maximum results to how to build a hybrid training module that’s online. And in person. We have marketing secrets, movement, innovation, and breaking down trends in the industry. If you’re a fitness professional, or fitness business owner, this is where you learn how to sharpen your skills and to see maximum results.

Kaleena
Michael, what are some of the myths that clients have about weightlifting?

Michael Hughes
So weight lifting in general, like this is a big one that comes up is that a lot of them say I’m gonna gain a lot of muscle really fast, and just keep the weight super, super light. And that’s like a big one. Yeah, that comes out probably the biggest one that I’ve seen just from females, but it’s like, okay, I want to take it easy on the load here. I’m going to make sure that it’s well minimized,

Kaleena
in a sense, yeah, light, light weights, high rep counts, right,

Michael Hughes
totally keeping it keeping it essentially, like bodyweight almost, like almost so lights, like nine pounds not going to do much for you, in a sense, and also lifting weights is that like, you’re going to be able to lift and that lifting is going to like make this muscle look so awesome. That once your shirts off, like boom, there’s the muscle. And it’s like I yeah, technically that happens. But it’s like gift wrapped, you know, that muscles gift wrapped in a little thing called extra tissue if you want to be nice and nice about it. Yeah, or fat?

Kaleena
Yeah. The the idea that you can do push ups, and all of a sudden, your chests gonna have less fat and it’s going to be all muscle, it just converts right away, right, which

Michael Hughes
is more of a weight loss issue than a muscle gain. Yeah, but it’s essentially this, you know, and their mindset, it’s the same thing. They’re going to do that.

Kaleena
Yeah. Do you think that you get more female clients or male clients that want a specific physique type where they come in, they go, I want you to train me this way to look this way, you know,

Michael Hughes
pre Gymnazo, like hardcore journals, like then yeah, it was a big deal. When I was working at a big box gym, it was definitely like, the goals were for physique base in base, you sit down at the table in the lobby, and you basically like, Okay, I’m gonna predict their goals and that’s to gain muscle, lose fat, it wasn’t even back then to get healthy. It was just gain muscle lose fat. And it was fascinating because as you do that, you kind of look at the person’s body type and let’s say I’m break it down. There’s three major body types. And some people kind of the Twiggy types, they’re just long skinny bones people and they can eat sandwich after sandwich and you know, whatever popcorn or whatever, you know, whatever me author and they really have a tough time gaining weight. Yeah, they’re gonna have a tough time gaining weight, they’re gonna have a tougher time than already hard time to gain muscle. So you really have to put it on the heart and then there’s people that are just look like houses. Yeah, no, sorry. They’re just they’re just big boned human beings. Yeah. And they’re gonna have an easier time putting on more weight and therefore more muscle. And they have the most of us are just kind of in betweens, a sense.

Kaleena
Yeah, I mean, the brick shithouse that commonly, you know, college soccer, that was our winter lifting season, you lifted really heavy, and it was not soccer season. So we got to we were eating pretty good. And there’s a lot of pizza and beer diet then. So we were just putting on the calories putting on the way and yeah, I looked like a brick shithouse by the time spring season rolled around. But you know, that’s something I think how often do you talk to your clients when they come to you with these physique goals? How, how do you play right into it? Like, by the way, let’s talk about nutrition.

Michael Hughes
That’s always the second conversation. First you describe how you can do it. That’s how I’ve always done it. You know, okay, you want to gain weight with here’s how we’re gonna do it. You know, we can do some isolation training here. But you know, it’s kind of you kind of you want people want to hear that they want to hear by the better biceps do bicep curls. But in reality, doing like a clean to overhead press is still going to build big biceps, too. Yeah. So that That’s the first conversation but then it’s like and and then you kind of say it softly. And you have to eat a lot better. Yeah, yeah, they don’t want to hear it. Because that’s like that’s like basically tell him that the dogs ugly or some like that. Yeah, that’s just something that they just don’t want to do. But it’s that’s the that’s the trick. And I love the ash. What’s the what is this movie called? It has like Ben Stiller. It has they make make fun of like army guys Tropic Thunder Yes. And I just love it like they’re like guys, it’s pretty obvious to make stuff look good. It’s all about diet. It’s all about diet. And I was like the first time like, Yes, finally like a Hollywood movie making fun of Hollywood. Yeah, tells the truth. Yeah, just about diet. Yeah, you have a six pack underneath you in fact, relatively have an eight pack underneath all of us right now. Just gift wrapped.

Kaleena
Yeah. In all the layers of goodness. There’s a lot of layers of goodness there. Yeah. Exactly. Right. So what if you have somebody who does want to bulk up? What where do you go with them?

Michael Hughes
It’s like, I’m gonna ask this question just for I know what you mean by it. But like, bulk up, meaning they physically that’s a new word. I like that. They’re just here physically, they physically want to look look better, or they actually just want to get bigger, like a football player. Just I want to play I want to play linebacker, well, you’re gonna have to put on 50 pounds, right? You know, so physique, don’t wanna go there. Let’s

Kaleena
go physique, like, I want to look like Chris Hemsworth it store.

Michael Hughes
Okay. And I am. How are you training? How do I get that? But yeah, and I’m gonna go like the medium build person, like the mesomorph person, you know? Not, you know, cuz he’s a big dude. already. Yeah. So the first thing I want to do is like, it was I want to think about this one way is like a Do you have the guts to do it? Yeah. Do you have the time? Do you have the focus to be in the gym that often? Because we just get bombarded with magazines and movies. And they’ve been trained in like, eight months? Yeah, if not more, totally, before that movie was even shot. And then by the way, the hit the gym, kind of, in a sense, doing push ups before that shot even happens, the extra pump throw the already pumped up. Pumped means a lot of blood in the muscles, those don’t mean like there are parties already there. So it’s really, you know, ways, there’s a lot of smoke and mirrors going on. Yeah, in that, in that physique. So first of all, you’re going to have to start doing volume. That’s it defined volume, volume is gonna be mass and repetition. Yeah, you got to put weight up a lot of times. And that, therefore has a limiting factor to both because you can’t do that much weight that many times, you can’t do that. Many reps with that much weight. So you have to find that sweet spot. But before we even get there, and this is now me talking as movement specialist is like you’re going to have to have them range of motion, the flexibility, which could take a few months to even get there. So you know, just bust yourself up on the shoulder and the knee because you start loading yourself up on some back squats. Yeah. Which would be something I definitely do. I’ll do a lot of compound lifts. Yeah, deadlifts, squats, that all the hypertrophy is, after all this stuff, the idea that people do to train for football, in a sense, I wouldn’t do bicep curls, I wouldn’t do tricep. Extensions, I wouldn’t do shrugs. Until later. Much, much later, I’m going to just put as much of joint put as much weight as many reps as I can, on as many movable joints at the same time as I possibly can. And then after that, I’m gonna say Go and sleep. And rest and foam roll. Yeah, don’t even think about the gym for a good 24 If not, plus 48 hours and sometimes 72 hours, and then do it again. Yeah. Now, there’s a lot more details behind that. But the rest piece is so critical. Yeah. Because your muscles have to build from something. And if you don’t rest, then they don’t really get built. And that’s kind of the craziest thing. I tell my four year old daughter this to help her go to sleep a lot. He got to sleep because that’s when you get taller. And he’s like really like, yeah, it’s really true. It is. So the rest piece is big. And then I wouldn’t try to bulk up and get cut at the same time. I think a lot of people talk about that a lot of people kind of like I want to lose weight and get bigger. It’s like those are kind of paradoxical things. It’s possible. It is very, very, very challenging.

Kaleena
Talking to my husband right here.

Michael Hughes
Sorry, what’s his name, but sorry,

Kaleena
it’s okay. It’s okay. He probably won’t listen to this one anyway. But you know, wanting to be super strong and super lean, wanting to lift the heavy weights, but then also wanting to be a good runner, you know that we’re talking about two different types of almost body types, but two totally different methodologies for training. And then overtraining, I think there’s also this big misconception that in order to reach fitness or to be fit, you have to work out to an extreme level every single day, and to burn yourself out, but when your goal is hypertrophy So you’re literally tearing muscle fibers to regrow them. Right? Yeah. So you do need the rest days because your muscles actually need to heal, so that you can put muscle on and they need to use nutrients. And you need not just sleep, but really good sleep. This is something that I learned using whoop, actually, and listening to their podcast was talking about how REM sleep is actually more beneficial, because that’s when we recover. It’s our body when heals itself. And that’s when we if you have crappy REM sleep, you’re not physically going to recover and your muscles aren’t going to recover. And then that makes it harder to continue to train at a high level. So if you go out this is always the misconception like Friday, right? Friday. You’re like, oh, man, we’re going out tonight. I gotta work out super hard at the gym. We got super hard look good tomorrow. And then you go and you drink a bunch, eat all the crappy stuff at happy hour. And then you sleep like crap. And then you wake up on Saturday. And you pretty much washed your workout. It’s like it’s it’s null and void, because you just destroyed everything that you just did. If not what negative? Yes, yeah, yeah. Because it takes you X number of days to try and recover, like get back to homeostasis after that.

Michael Hughes
Right. And that’s like the typical life of at least a lot of the 20 something 30 Something year olds. And I’m not saying that some of you who want those, those goals, but it’s really fascinating how you look at that factor and be like, a it is really hard. This is something that’s going to take a lot of focus and a lot of time. It’s super doable. I’m not saying it’s like it’s impossible. But it’s a focus. It’s a big, big focus. And I think I don’t know, I will I really wish, if I could end this podcast right now. I would say just eat better. sleep better. And keep yourself relatively mobile. And moving meal exercise. Go for a hike, climb a mountain. Yeah. Because that’s still doing squats. Yeah, in a sense.

Kaleena
Yeah. Let’s

Michael Hughes
talk about the good thing. We’re not going to end the podcast.

Kaleena
Well, let’s talk about also the misconception that in order to lose weight, you’ll need to do cardio.

Michael Hughes
So there’s this really cool, I watched a lot of YouTube, I love YouTube. And there’s a great ad going around this guy saying, you know, guys, you do cardio that doesn’t burn fat. It burns calories. And I’ve seen that, so the ad needs to stop. But it’s anyways, he gets his point across the point is that that yeah, like energy is energy. And there’s a lot of types of energy, there’s alcohol, that’s actually energy, there’s calories in alcohol, there’s protein, there’s carbohydrate, then there’s actual fat. And the body burns energy, pretty much the same way, the same sequence, it always does. I’m gonna get a little nerdy here because it’s kind of fun dive in ATP, right? I don’t understand I doesn’t triphosphate is basically the lifeblood of energy from the body. And you have a store of that about two seconds, I believe. If you stop body stops making ATP, that chemical, they have two seconds in reserve and you die. It’s kind of crazy. Anyways, so then it goes from there all the way to basically fat, right, that’s the other end of the spectrum. And from there, the body loves to burn all those kinds of sugars in a sense, and then the carbohydrates and it goes to the proteins, but then it goes to the fats. And then it goes to the proteins, excuse me, I said it wrong. Like your body really doesn’t want to burn protein unless it really has to survival stuff. So the longer you work out, the more you’re going to go to that fat stage, the shorter your workout, the less you’re going to be in that fat stage. But there’s a catch. If you work out super, super hard in a short burst of time, you’re gonna burn a lot of those calories. But then your metabolism in a sense, your heart rate stays relatively elevated, this whole cold thing got I think it’s called Orangetheory. Fitness, that one study that they base an entire franchise on. But it’s relatively true. You still burn calories after every workout, depending on the intensity. Yeah, it works for every single workout, not just on series. But there’s every workout, every workout. Yeah. So in that sense, and then you got to burn, if you to build more muscle, like you’re talking about that takes energy as well. And that also comes from those same kind of long duration type of calorie sources. So if you want to burn fat, then a don’t eat too much fat. That’s kind of I mean, you know, butter is nice, but you know, don’t go to that into that. And then really consider that you need to do energy. I don’t want to say it’s I want to say this simply is that you need to be able to put in the amount of work, work is the most important thing. Don’t focus on slow cardio for one hour. It’s not that hard. Put an effort and let the effort and then have that pull from your body’s energy sources. That mean if I could summarize it, yeah, work hard, relatively speaking, for short bursts of time and let the calorie expenditure let that pull from your body’s energy sources. Yeah, that’d be my recommendation.

Kaleena
Well, and we know to that If you get on a treadmill, and you run a mile, first time you’re on that mound that might be a struggle, bus, big struggle. But if you continue to do that, and you just do a mile, your body metabolizes less and less as you get better as you get more in shape more. So all of a sudden, you’re not burning calories, or you’re not, you’re not burning as much energy because you’re in better cardiovascular shape. So that mile isn’t, it’s not as hard as it was the first time, right? Like 10 runs later. So that’s why people plateau, they get they get to a certain point, they’re like, I’m not losing any more weight, or I’m not seeing any more gains. It’s because they’ve been doing the same thing over and over and over again, and your body goes, Hey, we know how to do this really well. So because our body tries to burn as little energy as possible in that situation, right? So this is where when we talk about adding in strength training into program, why are you going to see better gains? By adding in some strength training into your cardio program? I see this problem with women especially, they only want to do cardio or they only want to do you know lightweights. bodyweight reps, high rep counts, and they hit these plateaus and they get frustrated, they leave away because they don’t think that strength train has benefits. So for people like you know, we look, we see these wild videos of the mountain and the rock and Dwayne Dwayne Johnson and I don’t even know the mountains real name right off the top of my head right now. But the amount of calories that they have to eat every single day to maintain that muscle mass, I think we look at women especially we have a horrible diet culture, where it’s like eat as few calories as possible. Like, you know, I used to call it with teenagers, I could teenage girls forever, and tell them you can’t come to soccer practice at 230 and have not eaten anything all day since breakfast at 10. It’s like you’re gonna pass out if all you had was a cup of ice chips and a big gulp of air before you came to practice. Because that’s what they thought they wanted to be, you know, they want to be they’re very good body conscious. And I mean, it’s even as we age out of that we’re still very body conscious, oh, I had six carats and a half a salad today with no protein and no fats and fat finger gesturing and you’re like, where your calories the you have no energy, we see headaches, we see fatigue, we see injury because there’s no substance to support your tissues. But I mean, I personally love eating and that’s why I like to work out. But if I build muscle, I can actually afford a few extra calories. Because I want to maintain that muscle. My goal is not necessarily to be as relevant as possible, but it’s to be strong. And every everybody wants to look good, right? Everyone wants to have a low body fat percentage. And talking to women about why that that building muscle is so important to their overall health, even our older female clients to help prevent osteoporosis and help with arthritis, how muscle mass actually is going to help and it doesn’t have to be this big, quote unquote bulky look and how we actually have to eat so specifically to get that quote unquote, bulk. Like every woman has their own idea of what bulky is for her. But you can still lift weight and not get to that bulky hypertrophy stage.

Michael Hughes
Yeah, hypertrophy and strength are two different things in a sense. And I remember saw bodybuilding was my introduction to fitness. But that’s where I started it all. Really? Just the hypertrophy hypertrophy his biggest muscles as possible. At that point in like high school. I mean, I was looking pretty good. Yeah, in a sense. And then I want to say I’m going to arm wrestle my buddy who literally works on cards restores cars, like model tees, the whole thing. And like, Brent, that’s arm wrestle. And he crushed me. crushed me, the dude had not like string, the string being arms, but nothing. I mean, not compared to what I was working on. Yeah. And he crushed me. And I’m like, what I was just, I was mortified. First of all. Second of all, I was like, I was really perplexed, like, How’s this possible? You know, like, Dude, I crank on bolts with a wrench? Yeah, all the time. And I was like, that’s like my first slap in the face of functional training. Yeah, but I didn’t even know. That’s what it was slapping me in the face. And his muscles were smaller than mine. Yeah, but he was stronger than I was. functional strength. I know. And it was just the total like, oh, so bodybuilders aren’t? They’re strong without a question. Really strong. But they’re not as strong as like a like a strong man Strong. Yeah, it’s a totally different types of strength. Yep, they’re big, but they’re just big, but not necessarily muscle big. Totally. Again, you know, they have big muscles, you know, but that really blew me away. It’s like, wow, so I can get super strong and not look like a bodybuilder. And so it’s like, yeah, you really can. And it’s really a myth, a total myth that you’re going to just show up one day with these big old beefy thighs. You may have a lot of fat on those sides and put muscle on them. You’re gonna get bigger thighs. Mm. But if you have that nice balance, then yeah, you’re gonna be fine.

Kaleena
Well, for you know, traditional weightlifting, you see guy put up, you know, 275 benchpress. He’s just really good at that. That action. He’s really strong at benchpress. But there’s not really a functional comparative.

Michael Hughes
No, he’s like that you’re really good at like pushing over a fence per se. But yes, you’d have to be connected to the ground has it transferred through his legs through his hips through his core? It’s a different it’s a different game. Yeah. I mean, he’s gonna be strong with the push. Yeah, what do you have no traction to get that push?

Kaleena
Yeah, in a sense, totally, totally different, totally different level. You know, we talk to our clients, they want to feel that sore, right. That’s how they feel like they got their money’s worth, they got that bang for their buck. But when your muscles make, when, when your muscles are, you do the same thing, you do just a standard bicep curl. And you get to a point where you’re like, I don’t want to lift any more weight, I’ve hit my hypertrophy, I don’t feel sore anymore, my muscles would. That’s why we’re talking about how changing just a plane of motion all of a sudden tweaks in and add something. So we’ve been doing just sagittal plane lunges sagittal plane lunges, like we talked about, we change our programming every quarter. And we just change that sagittal plane lunge to a lateral lunge. And all of a sudden, people are like, Oh, my God, I can’t feel my legs

Michael Hughes
soreness. Yeah, it’s crazy. Because the body is so specific. It’s that it’s ultimately hyper specific on what you do. And it’s so it’s such a, it’s such just kind of blows me away, it’s so specific that you have to train a very specifically. And if you don’t, then you’re missing out on a huge potential. And that’s why the way that muscle fibers run, and the way that you stress, like a shirt, you pull a shirt, you see the fibers being pulled, and you see the lines that show up on that shirt. Well, that is a that is a very specific pattern. And the body learns that pattern, just like how to throw a curveball is different than a knuckleball. Or swinging early to hittin to you know, left field, if you’re right handed batter swinging. Late, in a sense. Ball goes the opposite side of the field. It’s a very specific timing of how you fire muscles to pull on certain angulations. And it’s so crazy because you can I actually realized that like, wait a minute, we can bodybuild with three dimensional movement. Yeah, it’s like, oh, wait a minute. This is crazy. Yeah, everyone’s doing these hip ridges was not a bad exercise, you know? But like, if we can instead of like putting a barbell across our hips and doing hip Ridge, like, why don’t we just do a single leg stance toe in, internally rotate the hip to a type one spine motion on the same side. And we’re like triplane loading on the glute best glute exercise ever had my entire life? Yeah, crazy sore. Yep. And that soreness is just the body’s showing that it’s doing something new. And to me like this is something I really try to educate a lot on is that soreness does not determine a good or bad workout. It determines a different workout. Different tissue adaptation, different tissue adaptation, and we go to so far to say is that getting super crazy sore is actually a bad thing. It’s actually an inhibiting thing. A little bit of soreness. All right, you went a little bit beyond your body’s threshold. Great job. You put a little me you made sure that your body adapted, but too much is literally too much. Determining your body’s recovery. Your body’s next workout, your body’s next movement patterns may actually create a movement dysfunction from soreness. Yeah. Do you have to therefore fight to get out of Yeah, and we people have no idea. So that’s my own little tea. I had to throw that in there. No, don’t get too sore.

Kaleena
Absolutely. You go. I see Monday morning, people come in, they are ready to just destroy the gym. They’re like, dude, weekend’s over. It’s time to get back to work. Like, let’s just get after it. Monday, you go 100% Tuesday, you’re like, oh, man, I’m so sore. I’m working like 75% today, because that’s literally all the capacity that I have. Because I’m so sore. And then they come back Wednesday. Now they’re working like 50%. Because, you know, again, on Tuesday, they’re trying to just crush it, even though they’re only 75% capacity, and you just continue to deteriorate throughout the week. And then we don’t end up seeing fitness gains, would you say you start to see like, again, deterioration, quality, injuries, muscle and you don’t see any gains because your body has no time to actually recover and heal.

Michael Hughes
And it’s hard because as a as a coach or as a trainer, like you always want to max out. And a lot of times I’ll find myself saying i Guys, let’s let’s let’s push it. But really what I’m meaning is pushed to that threshold of that day. You know, it’s like, okay, this is hard. I’m uncomfortable. That’s pushing it. Yeah, that’s to that levels, like can I go harder, of course, you can go harder. You can always go harder. But training hard, is again, you just describe the scenario. You just get less and less potential every day of that week. And that was a huge revelation to me to realize that it’s not how hard you are Look, it’s much more about how consistent you work. Yeah. Because your body needs to adapt to environments. Well, what’s an environment? Well, environments preferably consistent versus crazy hard on Monday do nothing until Friday. Yeah, it’s not consistent. What is jumping around saying, What do you want me to be going to get tested? Or do you want to be a professional athlete? Like, what do you want me to do? Yeah, yeah, that’s,

Kaleena
that’s. Let’s talk about the difference between men and women metabolically and how we can help them achieve their physique goals. Let’s try to think of your made up word earlier. Does Eagle physically go? But do men and women gain muscle and or lose weight differently?

Michael Hughes
Yes, I think it just got a flat out saying men and women are different. I know it’s hard to take in. But we’re definitely different. I think there’s some pros and cons to because a lot of people say all men just have a better all the way around. I’m like, maybe I would love

Kaleena
for you to elaborate this for us women. Oh, how you guys have it harder than we do?

Michael Hughes
Whoa, I didn’t say harder. I said pros and cons. You just may have a better and easier than as uncertain things. But so eight men have testosterone. It’s literally a magic drug. Yes, people inject it into their bodies to do all kinds of amazingly awesome things. Yeah. Just flat out doesn’t mean women don’t have it a they do have it just not as much. So that’s a big pro. A men are just bigger, essentially bigger beings, in a sense in all cases, so therefore, more muscle mass, just more cylinders in the engine. Yeah, it’s gonna burn more calories. Yeah, just flat out. So if I eat the same hamburger that you eat, ruining both have a delicious time. But I’m going to burn it faster. Totally just, you know, just science or just math rather.

Kaleena
Yeah. And then ladies, if you didn’t know this, testosterone, on average burns an additional 1000 calories per day without doing anything. Which is why your boyfriend husband, kids, they kill your dudes can eat that hamburger, because their body will burn it just based off testosterone alone. $1,000. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah,

Michael Hughes
I’ll check that out. I’ll say disagree with you is one

Kaleena
plus or minus. But last last time I checked it is plus or minus 1000 calories per day. But it’s just

Michael Hughes
true. It just it’s that kind of chemical. Yeah. So that’s going to be too big off the bat. Right. But you can’t, like men have a shape like a pair. If you get overweight women have shaped shoes men have shaped like like an apple. Big up top skinny down download. Women are more like pairs in in a way to say big download skinny up up top. But the benefit of the female, I will say this is there’s a certain kind of athleticism that I really like women have. Again, I have to generalize, they have much longer legs, longer legs, shorter torso, torso, men have longer torso shorter or shorter legs. Again, I’m making general statements like Apple and parents like that. Okay. And I really think that’s a benefit in a lot of like, agility type of agility type of things. But like in cardiovascular kind of dancing and all these amazing artful sports that I just think women perform better on because of their biomechanical makeup.

Kaleena
Thank you. We’re getting it we will lower center of gravity. I think we will we have a better sense. Center of gravity. Well, I

Michael Hughes
would say yeah, with the weight down low. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. But like dancing and like gymnastics, all the things that like I don’t know, like, to me, the female physique just has that down, dialed. So. To me, that’s a benefit.

Kaleena
One thing I think that we don’t get enough education on as trainers is the hormone cycle and the ovulation cycle for women, too, that we never touch on, on why it’s so hard for women to maintain a quality fitness program. Because essentially, two weeks out of the month, your your hormones are completely out of whack, and you just don’t have the energy, which is why ladies if you’re listening, or trainers who are listening, if you have female clients that come in, they’re like, I don’t know what’s wrong with me this week. Like I’m just not feeling it. I don’t have as much strength as I did last week. Nothing is different. I didn’t change my diet and change my sleep. You’re like, great, you’re probably going through hormone fluctuation. And that’s

Michael Hughes
a really important point that as a trainer in my green years, I had no it I mean, totally new, but I didn’t know.

Kaleena
You don’t know how it plays into how we function.

Michael Hughes
No, just like, oh, just another bad week. Okay, I get it. Like that was my ignorance back then. Just about a bad week. Hang in there. Yeah, but no, so much more than that. It’s a lot. So I apologize for all my past clients.

Kaleena
Okay, you’re green. You didn’t know.

Michael Hughes
I didn’t know. No, I’m blaming it. Well, I’m blaming having four brothers.

Kaleena
It does give you a slight disadvantage. Yeah. Would you say that a lot of women, you know, I Sorry, what would you say to women who are afraid of quote unquote bulking up? Doing strength exercises? Or strength training?

Michael Hughes
Don’t be afraid. But why don’t be afraid? Because it really goes back to the previous answer, you know, because you don’t have that much testosterone. Because the setup of your biology is not designed as efficiently to build muscle. Certainly have muscles certainly become very amazing. Physically, there it is, again, these types of women, but it takes a lot more effort. That’s, I think that’s my biggest said, Don’t be afraid, because it doesn’t come easily. For the vast majority of women out there. It takes big focus, big nutritional gains. And work a lot of work a lot, a lot of work. And if it if you are the woman who says gosh, no, no, that just happened to me. Well, there are body types that just gave us a lot faster. But it’s, it’s gonna take so much volume, like I said, a lot of weight, a lot of repetitions days in the gym, to get that physique muscle build the hypertrophy. Yeah, that you’ll see it coming. Yeah. And you can you can do a little zig or zag in your training program. You don’t just wake up one day and be like, totally, my shirt doesn’t fit anymore. Yes, you will have that body pump that all people get. Every every athlete gets that kind of that that blood pumping in that muscle that makes it bigger, that you’ll feel for a few hours after that workout. But that goes away. Yeah, so that’s, again, that’s how I almost share it all. It’s like you can we can go to work on it. But don’t let it scare you starting. Or don’t say no, I don’t want to do weight training in my cross training. You know, I just want to do dancing or bar or yoga, because I don’t want to gain muscle mass. That’s, that’s Don’t worry about that. You’ll see it coming. We can make a pivot, it’s way worth it to start doing that versus not do it. Like Please wait, train women, please. Yeah. But again, they may just think weight training is anything with a barbell, or it looks like CrossFit. And that’s not that is a part of weight training. But that’s a percentage. That’s a small slice of the puzzle.

Kaleena
One of our favorite tools. And my favorite tools is using samples. And you know, heavy weight is individual, right? And you know, 10 pounds might be so heavy for somebody 25 pounds everybody else. It’s for most women that come into the gym, they’d look at the 25 pound sandbag, they have Gosh, that’s so heavy. That’s really heavy weight. I don’t want to do squats or lunges with that on my shoulder. It also looks big, looks big, right? But then how many clients are moms who carry their kids? And you say, How much does your kid weigh? Like 45 pounds. Pick Pick, pick up your kids, you pick up the bag of dog food at Costco,

Michael Hughes
and it’s a dynamic 45 pounds. Yeah, it’s

Kaleena
moving moving, it’s trying to escape. You know, you know, for every mom who’s had a toddler try and fly out of their arms, like throwing themselves to the ground. You know, you need to have that kind of foundational functional strength to be able to control that mass momentum, that oddball weight, picking it up in different ways, shapes or forms. And I encourage women to be like, this is going to help you move better outside of that, especially when we listen to our clients who complain about back pain with picking up their kids or doing something that’s more functional, getting getting weights out of the car, getting groceries out of the car, and like well, if you don’t ever train, if you’re constantly only lifting five pound eight pound dumbbells, of course, you’re not going to get any stronger. And that’s not going to benefit you when going to pick up your kids or do something like going kayaking or you know, building that that muscle strength just even adding extra load for hiking. How many moms throw their kid in their backpack? Right? Not sorry? A hiking backpack? The kid back? Yeah, you know, to hike my pillow that’s added load to your body weight.

Michael Hughes
Yeah. And actually, you can actually get weaker if you train in condition with lighter weights than what you’re accustomed to at your house. You actually your body says oh, wait, I don’t need this much strength. Again, like the body is super awesome. What you give it is what is gonna say, Okay, let’s go to work. Yeah, I’ll do that. And what I also like about is most parents, because I do a fear of for my little children, too. They’re usually smaller than you are. So to pick them up, you’d really have to do a clean. Yeah, that’s a power clean. You know what I’m talking about, like, from the ground, squat down, pick them up at around knee height. Put them and swing them on up. Read on your shoulders and hang on. Yeah, that’s, that’s a handgun. And at the very least, yeah. And it’s like, Oh, you do that all the time? Yeah, all the time. Yeah. That’s like it’s just it’s kind of it’s just so fascinating How, how strong we are in certain ways. But then we go to this organized event called the Workout and group training like Oh, no about that. 35 or so yeah, that’s pretty much what your little boy weighs. Yeah. You know. That’s what, that’s what I’m on. Like weight training is a good thing. We need it. Osteoporosis is a real deal. Come totaling 50 your result for men and women, you know, and your body needs that it needs that strenuous loading food, the bones doesn’t take a whole lot. But it also you don’t also need to go to a traditional gym and do like, leg presses on a on an inverted squat rack. You know that? Yeah, you don’t need that. It’s so much easier. I don’t know.

Kaleena
Do you remember that commercial? I can’t remember what the commercials for and it was that was a grandfather who all of a sudden he finds his kettlebell in his garage you love that right? Like you want to cry watching that. But he’s He starts out he’s you know, he’s dragging this kettlebell on before he can even pick it up. And then just slowly, day by day, he starts picking it up by the horn and doing little press. And pretty soon he’s like, crushing it, don’t get an after getting

Michael Hughes
over the fence thing. What is this guy doing?

Kaleena
What does he do? He’s so old, like, how, why is he doing this, he’s going, Oh, my gosh, you’re gonna hurt like, there’s concern on their face for him. And then flash forward to the end. And he goes, and he picks up his granddaughter, same exact motion that he was doing with the kettlebell but with his granddaughter, and he picks her up so that she can put the star at the top of the Christmas tree. And that was just such the perfect example of functional fitness and such a great example of how, you know, it’s beneficial to strength train, and beneficial to continue to do that stuff as we age. Because you get to a certain point, you’re like, I want to be able to do that. But I haven’t done anything like this for years and years and years. Yeah. You know, how often do we hear from our older clients? I just want people to play with my grandkids on the regular, you know, on the regular and not hurt themselves? Yeah,

Michael Hughes
well, the crazy thing is like, I want to be able to play with my kids. I’m in my mid 30s. And it’s hard. Funnel groundwork hard. Like I’m not saying like I’m, you know, I’m being miserable at it. But like it’s an effort going to the park and doing monkey bars and going down these small slides. Yeah. And then spitting on those little round wheels. Like, you need strength training for that one. And totally, if anyone wants a little slice of humble pie, go to a monkey bar real quick. And just try to go across if you’re anywhere above the age of 30. Yeah, yeah. A whole new ballgame. Whole new compared your body for it now or you excuse me? You spent the last 20 years not doing it. Yeah. And so I always try to hit the monkey bars every time there is one. Yeah. And then by the way, also go on swings, because that is the boat the boat. That’s like a it’s like a it’s like a kid’s hammock. Yeah, it’s an adult hammock for for kids. In a sense. That’s sorry. That’s a tangent. But fun.

Kaleena
Go on. Yeah, to tap into your inner child. Do

Michael Hughes
that like momentum swing, it gives you a thrill. Yeah. Sorry. Okay.

Kaleena
All good. We were talking about, you know, like, what do you say to women who don’t want to strength train or talk to clients who don’t want to strength train? Because it’s not their ideal, but I hear this one too. And this is a big misconception. We’ll talk more about BMI here in a second. But what about I don’t want to lift because I put on weight.

Michael Hughes
Oh, that’s true. Because you do put on weight. And this is the real cool thing. And that. Here’s, here’s a question. How much? Well, the message, what weighs more? A pound of bricks or pound of feathers?

Kaleena
Trick question exactly the same way. Nice job.

Michael Hughes
Right. But the perception that feathers are light and bricks are heavy, and the simple muscles heavy. It’s a dense piece of tissue. And I really, really like and we almost got it here at Gymnazo was really got like a five pound piece of fat. And a five pound piece of muscle. Yeah. And they’re distinctly different.

Kaleena
I love that image. I love the image if you Google that, and you’re training like have that just handy in your phone, or like post that in your gym somewhere five pounds of muscle for as five pounds of fat.

Michael Hughes
Yeah, and what looks like Yes. And that you’re gonna be like, can we start strength training, please? Yeah. Because that’s awesome. And this whole kind of and this is this is real and I don’t want to make fun of this. But the term skinny fat real? Like, you can be really, really big, you know, like 250 plus pounds, but be a good percent muscle. Oh, yeah. Good percent muscle athletes. Professional athletes. Yeah. Especially like offensive line guys. The 300 Plus dudes. Yeah, but they’re mostly muscle. Yeah. But then you can be this amazingly sweet kind little teenager and be skinny as a rail but you’re soft. Yeah. Like silky pillow soft. Yeah. And that’s really unhealthy. And it but this perception of this whole thing. So like, yeah, if you want it you know you’re going to gain weight by putting on muscle but it won’t look like it. And that’s the cool thing about it. And I really hate to have people stand on scales, because it tells a really bad story. It meant you’re measuring how much water is in your body. You’re measuring how much hair you have on everybody. How’s your clothes with? What’s your meal was for that day? Oh, and by the way, you’re buttering bone, your organs. Oh, but you think you’re measuring fat? And you’re, you’re measuring everything, versus how your clothes fit? Or good old fashion, you know, flexible tape measure around your body. Yeah, that’s like the best. I really if you really want to, you know, the want to put on weight. But they want to look good. Bye. That’s it. Yeah, that’s it.

Kaleena
I invested. It wasn’t even investment like $30 on Amazon. But a body composition scale was so amazing. So you know, we talked about personal athletes, and we talked about like men’s physique, but for the female athlete physique. I’ve been told my whole life based off of BMI, body mass index, that I am borderline overweight, or borderline obese. I am five, five on a good day. And I fluctuate anywhere from like, 138, when I’m really lean to 145. Right. And that’s like, it’s normal to fluctuate to like, we also think it is perfectly normal to fluctuate anywhere from five to 10 pounds. But I’m not obese. I’m not. I’m not soft, and squishy. I am solid, dense muscle. Yeah, I’m brick shithouse. Like, I’m perfectly happy to say that to like, I thoroughly enjoy that actually, like I like being strong. But to hear that as as a female as even like teenagers were having this conversation earlier, like having a team telling a teenage girl who’s an athlete, hey, by the way, you’re overweight, because BMI. Would it does we don’t have BMI was actually started during World War Two, as a way to quickly assess soldiers health, for their height and their weight. So soldiers were working, we’re not going mostly men, right? Majority men? And that’s a totally the right model, actually. Yeah. And that’s in the 1940s. So think, and bodybuilding started the 60s. Yes, right. Right, aren’t? Yes. 67. But yeah, so movie took off took off at that point. So we’re talking about the 1940s, when we’re measuring height to weight ratio for men. And it doesn’t take into consideration muscle mass, it doesn’t contain zero take into consideration body fat percentage, zero, and we still use it today, or the sex of the individual. Exactly, zero. And, and we’re still using that today, like mainstream using it exactly like mirroring your physician, your normal physician just comes in and is like, hey, based on BMI, you’re overweight,

Michael Hughes
unfortunately, is way beyond the physician. It’s insurances, which Yeah, hey, the Farm Bill, you know, it’s so

Kaleena
it’s actually it’s, if you’re using a BMI scale, stop, it’s kind of useless at this point, especially if you’re working out, I always say, and for myself, I check my body fat percentages, because that’s the best indicator of where you’re going to actually see those gains. So if I’m putting on muscle mass, and I see my weight go up, but I see my body fat, body fat percentage go down, that’s a big win throw party, that’s a big win. Like I’m looking better, I’m looking probably leaner, I’m less, I’m actually less bulky, because there’s less fluff, there’s less fluff, and it’s more lean, dense muscle, my clothes fit better. That’s a much better indicator to track your, I think health and wellness, or how weight training is beneficial to you. I can see that number on the scale go down. Because I lose muscle mass and my fluff increases. That typically happens around the holidays for me. I will literally see that happen where because I you know, we work out hard all year. But Thanksgiving, I love to eat I love to cook and I you know, I’m like I’m going to take a break from working out. I’m just this is my time to spend with family and to just chill and I will literally see the scale go down. But my floof goes up and all of a sudden it’s like, you know, does it goes up all of a sudden your jeans are like a little bit tighter. All right, wrong spots in this. Yeah. And it’s easier, like it’s not comfortable or like to wear that sweater today. And it’s just everything’s just fitting a little bit differently. And

Michael Hughes
we wear a lot more sweaters in the winter, which therefore are bad gear bigger. Yeah, you only really see yourself in your true self. Maybe for a few minutes tops. Yeah, day versus wearing T shirts, shorts. There they are, in a sense. Yep, arms and legs, Chanel. So I get to end for those people who think gosh, you know, a those scales are not that accurate. It’s like no, no, they’re very accurate, consistent, that use the same accuracy standards and you’ll have a good change or a good delta change. You have a good measurement. You don’t have to get a hydrostatic weight or do all these things like that. Those scales, even if it’s off 5% It doesn’t matter. It’s going to it’s going to change accurately. And I think that’s the most important thing. You’re gonna see change like growth, like, who cares what the number is? Just make sure the number the right number is going up and the right number is going down.

Kaleena
Yeah. And stop stepping on the scale daily, please. Because you

Michael Hughes
have like a medical condition that you need no that no like, like,

Kaleena
I don’t know, anybody who steps on that scale in the morning was like, yes, you know, like, or we get to that magic number, like, we think we’re gonna get to that magic number and just be like, stoked. But you don’t live at that magic number, right? And if you’re especially if you’re trying to see gains over over weeks, like what would you measure it like once a week?

Michael Hughes
I strongly tell my clients do not sit on the scale for at least a month yet until into our training, don’t even look at it, put it away underneath the bed. Don’t even do it because it’s just not worth it. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like, honestly, it’s like riding the stock market. If anyone you know, it’s crazy on most days, but the very physical long term, it’s like, oh, it always goes up this one working out good diets gonna go down? Yeah, so daily, daily changes volatile, long term is predictable. Yeah.

Kaleena
And good reminder for people to like, when you say Don’t step on the scale for four weeks, don’t go on sale for a month, on on a good day, if you have a consistent strength conditioning program, or just like you’re trying to see physiological, physiological changes. You need four to six weeks to actually see those adaptations, you know, exactly. Like they say, what not, if not double that, yeah, 1212 weeks to see significant adaptations. They say, like four weeks, your friends and family will start to notice, but you might not notice. You know, it starts to trickle from there. And then 12 weeks, you’re like, Whoa, but that’s three months of consistent work.

Michael Hughes
And I get it, but a lot of people think, Gosh, that’s a long time. It’s like not really. It’s April. Yeah, we weren’t celebrating, you know, we were celebrating excuse me, January 1, in your mind’s eye not that long ago. Now. You know, it’s like, it’s already April. Yeah. That’s the same way that training and conditioning goes. Yeah. Just make it fun. Yeah, it’s not fun. Yeah, then you just be miserable. But yeah, the BMI thing is really, I kind of want to touch on a little bit more because of how hard pressed our medical society gives it. Like that’s health and categorizing people. Yes, I get it. There’s people that are obese, those people that are underweight, significantly underweight. And it’s a it’s a general way of doing it. But what we’re teaching people is that health and fitness and wellness is general. And it’s really not, definitely, it’s really, I don’t want to call it like rocket science, sign tree. Whoo, that’s a new one. I love podcasts, you get to make up words, and no one can stop you. You’re not putting a man on the moon. But it certainly is not simple. And it’s definitely takes takes knowledge. But some general guidelines that you can really go after rest more, eat things that are alive most than plastic boxes, and do a combination of flexibility, cardiovascular and strength training, you’re gonna go far, you’re gonna go far and have no BMI is going to be like, Oh, you’re overweight, or you’re too too thin. I just want to generally state that out there, because I’ve been wanting a platform to use to see that exact Yeah, it’s a fruit Longtan Yeah,

Kaleena
it’s wild BMI as well. I was even. Even the program that I use on my scale. So currently here, 29 weeks pregnant. But I think like week 16 or 17, I got on the scale again, just to see what my what my numbers look like. And obviously, my weight had jumped up significantly at that point. And it’s funny because it tells you like, where you’re at, like, Ooh, you might be overweight, you might be this might be that like, yellow, yellow, green, red for you know, good, okay, and then like, then you’re teetering into that. And what was funny is that my BMI numbers were like, Hey, you’re overweight. My muscle mass numbers are like a actually you’ve really great muscle mass. And, but you’re kind of overweight. And then my body fat percentage was still for women, by the way. It’s really, it’s a challenge for us to be under 24% body fat. I was like 21% body fat. And it’s like green. It’s like, oh, you’re in great shape was like so how can I be overweight in like three categories or unhealthy in three categories, but my body fat percentage is a okay, I’m like rockin these don’t talk to each other. Yeah, it’s just it’s this total misnomer of how we equate weight to health.

Michael Hughes
And, yeah, it’s just the more I hear people like how much do you weigh? How much you weigh? Just I got that same question. In high school, like the question was like, you measured your health in high school by how much you can benchpress Yeah. And now she has changed, like, how much what the scale says, but in reality, it’s, again, don’t emphasize this one. It’s how you look and close. And if you’d like that, good for You Yeah, rock’n’roll from changed a little bit. Okay, cool. Right on.

Kaleena
I think you were, we asked people like, why do you work out? I won’t name names but I think you were pretty mortified the first time you heard somebody go out to look good they good. Like you were getting some wholesome answers, you know, oh, I want to play with my kids. I’m gonna do this and then just I want to look good naked, which Yeah, you know what? That’s actually pretty much the honest truth like how often here and when I get ready for summer, I gotta get ready for this vacation. Yeah, every wants to look good naked.

Michael Hughes
I know. And that’s crazy. Because you get ready for this vacation. You’re eating so good. And then you go there. And because like, that’s my spot, like, and I did that. Well, not the last year, but the year before that. And you just hit that you hit the whiskey hard, harder, you know, because I haven’t drink whiskey like three months. Yeah. You have like two shots. Your little ice in there and you’re done. You have that nice like breaded fish taco with that cool sauce on there. You’re bloated for four days. Oh, yeah, you don’t? You don’t go number two for three days. You’re trying to figure out why do I feel so crappy? Yeah. And what I spent six months or three months or whatever trying to get here just to feel like crap. Yeah. I just find it so paradoxical. This whole like, I want to go look good for vacation. And then just ruined. Ruined day one. Yeah. Why saying like, What the eff? Did you just put it in your body?

Kaleena
I mean, we can say the same thing for just a regular week. How many of us are really good Monday through Friday afternoon. Good call middle afternoon parked, right, Friday afternoon. And then like, you’re like, oh, Friday night, Saturday, Sunday. And then like when people aren’t get frustrated with not seeing gains? And whether that’s whatever your gains is losing weight, muscle mass, any of that. It’s like, well, you spent two and a half days, destroy destroying your body. And then you’re trying to do four and a half days of recovery, you know, making up for that. Thank, you can’t do that. That’s what was 12 weeks, consistent. 12 weeks?

Michael Hughes
Well, there are there are a few different kinds of diets, quote unquote, out there that I mean, to me, there’s a cheat day, like once once, that’s fine. But again, I think what people need to be treated like you whatever you want, that’s still relevant. You know, it’s so relative, you know, it’s like, you can’t go be gluttonous. You can’t just go put down, you know, four or five mine ties. Like, it just, I don’t know, it’s like, it’s so hard to put money in your bank, but it’s really easy to spend money. Yeah, I think that’s kind of the same principle. You know, like, you’re gonna have to put effort on both sides and just minimize a little bit, have some fun. Get the ice cream at night Creamery or whatever, little little plug for you guys. You know, like, that’s good. But that’s like the cheat day. Yeah, enjoy it. Well, we

Kaleena
can do a whole nother podcast on different metabolic types, like for each individual and how you process it, because, you know, if you’ve done paleo, have you done keto, if you’ve done whole 30, we know for a fact that one of those doesn’t work for every single person, right? Like, I did whole 30. And for 30 days, it was great. It was great little little clean out great reset, and I kept up with it for a really long time. But as I mentioned earlier, I like to eat and I was eating so much protein. And I was I was looking away that I didn’t want to look all of a sudden, and I realized because I didn’t have enough actually carbs in my diet. I was overeating protein to make up those calories somewhere because I was freaking hungry. So you know, and that didn’t work. And I had to play around with actually figuring out what kind of diet do I need because some people are They’re just better they’re better at processing carbs and others you’re blessed by the way if you can cross the processed carbs better you’re just like I can eat all this bread be fine.

Michael Hughes
I find it so interesting. Like different cultures like different different genes, right? Yeah. Like this is a really cool book by Western a price that he goes all around the world like people who mainly fish. Yeah. Are they in there? Like more grasslands Mediterranean diet? Yeah, the more that I was like, There’s no good or bad diet. It just all depends on what that body’s used to processing. And what’s your efficient and what’s your fishnet and it has to do with a lot about your environment, and your chemical makeup from hundreds, if not 1000s of years of genetical processing.

Kaleena
Well see that again, genetical processing, man,

Michael Hughes
I gotta work on that. Actually. No, I’m just gonna own it. That’s fun. I’m gonna keep doing that. Put it in. Yeah, just put an hour at everything I say. But that process, like the body has all those things to take into consideration. And hence why diet is one of the mysteries of this entire world. And we’ll just keep on moving.

Kaleena
All right, any final thoughts on weight loss on bulking up, quote, unquote, bulking up on building muscle mass? BMI?

Michael Hughes
Yeah, The one thing that we do at Gymnazo a lot is movement training. Right? We’re not heavy, heavy, heavy on nutrition like pounding people on the table, that guy, you got to do this. Because the, there’s a reason for that, because movement is not the most important thing when it comes to weight loss diet. Food in is. But like, why do you want to lose weight? Why do you want to bulk up? Why do you want to get more muscle mass? Why do you want to lose fat mass? Hopefully, it’s because you can progress through your life with movement and activities better. So we come about as well, let’s move well, no matter what. And then once we find that happening, what next can we do? Well, maybe you want to go to G three a little bit more, which is our kind of higher level more hypertrophy strength look kind of wacko in the sense movement program. Or do you want to dial in with a nutritionist, you know, and really take that to the to the next level. But what I like about the human body, at least the human spirit, is a success in one thing produces the immense desire to continue to progress that and it can be to look more like what’s the guy that the Thor Thor guy, what’s his name that Chris Hemsworth Chris Hemsworth said, you know, you want to look like look like him or you want to look that bit like that. That sleek dancer with the cases. And that’s like a big things that start with your success, no matter where do you want to go? Do something, please, and do it consistently. And get your mindset to shift because that’s really what’s going on. Your body can do it, your body can do amazing things such as your mind that saying, I don’t know if I want it or that looks hard. Or it’s maybe not that worth it, but it is worth it. I’m big, big fan of that start with success. And for us success is movement, having fun moving. So that’s it, lift some weights, lose some weight. Don’t listen to BMI. And call us if you have it call us we definitely have any questions.

Kaleena
I’ve actually one more question. We look at different fitness facilities and you say they have a certain body type? Definitely. Oh yeah. What would you say the average Gymnazo body type looks like?

Michael Hughes
The average Gymnazo body type looks like I’m gonna go kind of in.

Kaleena
It’s a trick question.

Michael Hughes
Well, I was gonna give the answer of a decathlete.

Kaleena
All right. multifaceted, multifaceted.

Michael Hughes
Yeah. Good. They got to be able to look like throw like a shot putter. Big, big dudes big ladies in a sense, but they gotta be gotta be light enough to throw themselves off over a pole vault pole. Like, that’s pretty light and feathery. Ya know? Like, that’s, that’s my answer.

Kaleena
Love it. I would say we actually we don’t have a body type. Even better. We don’t have money to answer. We don’t have vitamins. We have movement types.

Michael Hughes
That is a trick question.

Kaleena
A quick trick question there. But I think that that’s another important to talk about, like how well do you want to move? Is a bigger question. A lot of people want to move really well. Not everything is always about physique. But we also we have such things

Michael Hughes
aren’t about physique. Yeah, just make him into physique. Yeah, it’s like

Kaleena
we have such a broad spectrum we have we have people who have that Olympic weightlifting look we have guys who get that hypertrophy look we have your your weekend warriors we have your everyday Joe’s we have your grandparents we have you know moms we have a whole slew of athletes that still come in that crush these workouts just to their different capacity levels. multifaceted multifunctional multi dimensional, they just are good overall athletes, they move really well.

Michael Hughes
Right, because everyone looked like a bodybuilder physique builder. Right. In a sense, you know, it was decathlete? Wow, we would have some pretty dysfunctional athletes out there. Yeah. That’s nothing against a physique trainer. No, just you just can’t function very, very well in that. It’s like, Man, that’s a trick question. I want to go back and change my answer. I’m still like my answer, but yours is a much better answer.

Kaleena
It was a trick question. The power of playing host

Michael Hughes
better enough. Yeah,

Kaleena
there’s another good YouTube video actually. It’s a it’s this bodybuilder and he’s got these friends that are just like, you know, Dad bods don’t work out. And they’re dying because they take a sticker and they put it on his like mid thoracic like between the shoulder blades and he can’t reach it. Because he’s so is such a huge muscle. He’s so bulky and he doesn’t have range of motion like he cannot reach to get it between the shoulder blades. And then they go up to one of the dads bots do the same thing to traditional replies. He just reaches back and grabs it. But you know, the big guys looking like we can’t get he can keep spinning around in circles. It’s like gray. It’s like yeah, that’s pretty inconvenient.

Michael Hughes
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